The Braves traded 3 good prospects for a .205 hitter...

WCDawg

@Kirbstomper said:
Haha let’s keep the personal attacks to a minimum man . Losing the argument isn’t a big deal you don’t gotta get mad. And yeah his OBP of around 300 isn’t great, but I’m not claiming him to be the next MVP lol. Also his 2016-2017 OBP is right there in the range of where dansby ender and Suzuki are this year. Even albies OBP is only .313, marginally better than .300!!

And again, OBP is not the best indicator of offensive production anyway. In 2016 and 2017 he hit way better than Swanson, enciarte and Suzuki have this year. So if you’re going to yell at people for killing our rallies you now have lots of options.

So again, we basically got a decent cost controlled right handed bench bat with some power/ a platoon starter for a bag of balls and some sunflower seeds! He’s not gonna be the reason we win the World Series but it was a decent move that makes us slightly better this year.

Losing an argument t you ? not likely.

WCDawg

@MacDawg15 said:

@Kirbstomper said:
We gave up essentially nothing for a right handed platoon bat, the sky isn't falling man.

This is what I tried getting across to ppl because none of the other 3 were in the future plans for the Braves. Sooner or later he'll drop a few bombs and even if one is enough to pull out a W where it otherwise would have been a loss; then the trade was worth it.

You seem to not understand net gain vs net loss.
If he is unproductive in 18 at bats, then hits a HR, he's still a HUGE net negative because you're losing all of the hits just a decent contact hitter would have given you from those 18 wasted at bats. You need to grasp the fact those few home runs will be anything but free.

donm

@Teddy said:
I didn’t expect Duvall to be a starter. Just expected him to bat above .200. Didn’t know that was too much to ask from a major leaguer. But now I know, just because he gets out all the time he is way better than that. All those unproductive outs are actually good... PS: I believe in many of the advanced metrics/stats, like bunting, pitchouts, intentional walks are more harmful than good, etc. etc... also, I know Duvall has one more year on his deal, but Tucker who was traded away beats Duvall in all your important stats you listed.

Not in ML career stats, I don't think. Certainly not in power #'s. Somewhere it was stated earlier that he had averaged a lot of HR's in the past 2-3 years, excluding this year. Plus he's a well above average defensive OF guy. Just sayin'.

Teddy

@donm said:

@Teddy said:
I didn’t expect Duvall to be a starter. Just expected him to bat above .200. Didn’t know that was too much to ask from a major leaguer. But now I know, just because he gets out all the time he is way better than that. All those unproductive outs are actually good... PS: I believe in many of the advanced metrics/stats, like bunting, pitchouts, intentional walks are more harmful than good, etc. etc... also, I know Duvall has one more year on his deal, but Tucker who was traded away beats Duvall in all your important stats you listed.

Not in ML career stats, I don't think. Certainly not in power #'s. Somewhere it was stated earlier that he had averaged a lot of HR's in the past 2-3 years, excluding this year. Plus he's a well above average defensive OF guy. Just sayin'.

He's had two good years when it comes to HRs, and it was his first two full seasons. Not sure if he's like Francoeur, and the league just figured him out? I hope he figures it out and becomes an asset. But I'm merely talking about his current play, as that's what matters the most. I'm sure he's working hard on it, but still hoping to see actual results. Next year is a contract year, so I'm sure he'll be working his tail off. Speaking of contract years, I wonder what Markakis is going to ask for?

donm

@Teddy said:

@donm said:

@Teddy said:
I didn’t expect Duvall to be a starter. Just expected him to bat above .200. Didn’t know that was too much to ask from a major leaguer. But now I know, just because he gets out all the time he is way better than that. All those unproductive outs are actually good... PS: I believe in many of the advanced metrics/stats, like bunting, pitchouts, intentional walks are more harmful than good, etc. etc... also, I know Duvall has one more year on his deal, but Tucker who was traded away beats Duvall in all your important stats you listed.

Not in ML career stats, I don't think. Certainly not in power #'s. Somewhere it was stated earlier that he had averaged a lot of HR's in the past 2-3 years, excluding this year. Plus he's a well above average defensive OF guy. Just sayin'.

He's had two good years when it comes to HRs, and it was his first two full seasons. Not sure if he's like Francoeur, and the league just figured him out? I hope he figures it out and becomes an asset. But I'm merely talking about his current play, as that's what matters the most. I'm sure he's working hard on it, but still hoping to see actual results. Next year is a contract year, so I'm sure he'll be working his tail off. Speaking of contract years, I wonder what Markakis is going to ask for?

Boy, Markakis. That's a tough one. Career year but he is getting a bit long in the tooth. How many years will he want? 2? 3? 4? they've got Pache' getting closer to ML ready down on the farm. Maybe trade NM? Surely there would be some takers after the year he's having. Sounds crazy to trade a MVP candidate, but it's a business, right? Tough call.

Kirbstomper

@WCDawg said:

@MacDawg15 said:

@Kirbstomper said:
We gave up essentially nothing for a right handed platoon bat, the sky isn't falling man.

This is what I tried getting across to ppl because none of the other 3 were in the future plans for the Braves. Sooner or later he'll drop a few bombs and even if one is enough to pull out a W where it otherwise would have been a loss; then the trade was worth it.

You seem to not understand net gain vs net loss.
If he is unproductive in 18 at bats, then hits a HR, he's still a HUGE net negative because you're losing all of the hits just a decent contact hitter would have given you from those 18 wasted at bats. You need to grasp the fact those few home runs will be anything but free.

Haha how many singles do you think a hr is worth? How many doubles? These things have actually been calculated and tabulated. Net gain vs net loss isn’t a mystery there are stats for it and I’ve even shown you what they are . Yeah 1-18 with a hr is not a good hitter if that’s what he averages haha.

You can disagree with my stance that he is a meh MLB player but you shouldn’t disagree with math

Kirbstomper

Anyway if you ever want to learn more about baseball and the braves head on over to talking chop! Real knowledgeable user base and everybody is a big braves fan. You’ll be able to learn even more and hear from people that know more than me!

Teddy

@donm said:

@Teddy said:

@donm said:

@Teddy said:
I didn’t expect Duvall to be a starter. Just expected him to bat above .200. Didn’t know that was too much to ask from a major leaguer. But now I know, just because he gets out all the time he is way better than that. All those unproductive outs are actually good... PS: I believe in many of the advanced metrics/stats, like bunting, pitchouts, intentional walks are more harmful than good, etc. etc... also, I know Duvall has one more year on his deal, but Tucker who was traded away beats Duvall in all your important stats you listed.

Not in ML career stats, I don't think. Certainly not in power #'s. Somewhere it was stated earlier that he had averaged a lot of HR's in the past 2-3 years, excluding this year. Plus he's a well above average defensive OF guy. Just sayin'.

He's had two good years when it comes to HRs, and it was his first two full seasons. Not sure if he's like Francoeur, and the league just figured him out? I hope he figures it out and becomes an asset. But I'm merely talking about his current play, as that's what matters the most. I'm sure he's working hard on it, but still hoping to see actual results. Next year is a contract year, so I'm sure he'll be working his tail off. Speaking of contract years, I wonder what Markakis is going to ask for?

Boy, Markakis. That's a tough one. Career year but he is getting a bit long in the tooth. How many years will he want? 2? 3? 4? they've got Pache' getting closer to ML ready down on the farm. Maybe trade NM? Surely there would be some takers after the year he's having. Sounds crazy to trade a MVP candidate, but it's a business, right? Tough call.

You can’t trade Markakis. Trade deadline has passed.

WCDawg

@Kirbstomper said:

@WCDawg said:

@MacDawg15 said:

@Kirbstomper said:
We gave up essentially nothing for a right handed platoon bat, the sky isn't falling man.

This is what I tried getting across to ppl because none of the other 3 were in the future plans for the Braves. Sooner or later he'll drop a few bombs and even if one is enough to pull out a W where it otherwise would have been a loss; then the trade was worth it.

You seem to not understand net gain vs net loss.
If he is unproductive in 18 at bats, then hits a HR, he's still a HUGE net negative because you're losing all of the hits just a decent contact hitter would have given you from those 18 wasted at bats. You need to grasp the fact those few home runs will be anything but free.

Haha how many singles do you think a hr is worth? How many doubles? These things have actually been calculated and tabulated. Net gain vs net loss isn’t a mystery there are stats for it and I’ve even shown you what they are . Yeah 1-18 with a hr is not a good hitter if that’s what he averages haha.

You can disagree with my stance that he is a meh MLB player but you shouldn’t disagree with math

A hr affects 1 game at best, and you still sometimes lose that game. A very low percentage hitter is a lineup killer.
I won't debate that point longer though, everybody with common sense understands as much.

WCDawg

@Teddy said:

@donm said:

@Teddy said:

@donm said:

@Teddy said:
I didn’t expect Duvall to be a starter. Just expected him to bat above .200. Didn’t know that was too much to ask from a major leaguer. But now I know, just because he gets out all the time he is way better than that. All those unproductive outs are actually good... PS: I believe in many of the advanced metrics/stats, like bunting, pitchouts, intentional walks are more harmful than good, etc. etc... also, I know Duvall has one more year on his deal, but Tucker who was traded away beats Duvall in all your important stats you listed.

Not in ML career stats, I don't think. Certainly not in power #'s. Somewhere it was stated earlier that he had averaged a lot of HR's in the past 2-3 years, excluding this year. Plus he's a well above average defensive OF guy. Just sayin'.

He's had two good years when it comes to HRs, and it was his first two full seasons. Not sure if he's like Francoeur, and the league just figured him out? I hope he figures it out and becomes an asset. But I'm merely talking about his current play, as that's what matters the most. I'm sure he's working hard on it, but still hoping to see actual results. Next year is a contract year, so I'm sure he'll be working his tail off. Speaking of contract years, I wonder what Markakis is going to ask for?

Boy, Markakis. That's a tough one. Career year but he is getting a bit long in the tooth. How many years will he want? 2? 3? 4? they've got Pache' getting closer to ML ready down on the farm. Maybe trade NM? Surely there would be some takers after the year he's having. Sounds crazy to trade a MVP candidate, but it's a business, right? Tough call.

You can’t trade Markakis. Trade deadline has passed.

There are exceptions, but you wouldn't trade him when you're still very much in the playoff picture anyway.

Teddy

@WCDawg said:

@Teddy said:

@donm said:

@Teddy said:

@donm said:

@Teddy said:
I didn’t expect Duvall to be a starter. Just expected him to bat above .200. Didn’t know that was too much to ask from a major leaguer. But now I know, just because he gets out all the time he is way better than that. All those unproductive outs are actually good... PS: I believe in many of the advanced metrics/stats, like bunting, pitchouts, intentional walks are more harmful than good, etc. etc... also, I know Duvall has one more year on his deal, but Tucker who was traded away beats Duvall in all your important stats you listed.

Not in ML career stats, I don't think. Certainly not in power #'s. Somewhere it was stated earlier that he had averaged a lot of HR's in the past 2-3 years, excluding this year. Plus he's a well above average defensive OF guy. Just sayin'.

He's had two good years when it comes to HRs, and it was his first two full seasons. Not sure if he's like Francoeur, and the league just figured him out? I hope he figures it out and becomes an asset. But I'm merely talking about his current play, as that's what matters the most. I'm sure he's working hard on it, but still hoping to see actual results. Next year is a contract year, so I'm sure he'll be working his tail off. Speaking of contract years, I wonder what Markakis is going to ask for?

Boy, Markakis. That's a tough one. Career year but he is getting a bit long in the tooth. How many years will he want? 2? 3? 4? they've got Pache' getting closer to ML ready down on the farm. Maybe trade NM? Surely there would be some takers after the year he's having. Sounds crazy to trade a MVP candidate, but it's a business, right? Tough call.

You can’t trade Markakis. Trade deadline has passed.

There are exceptions, but you wouldn't trade him when you're still very much in the playoff picture anyway.

You’d have to put him on waivers, then the worst record team that claims him gets him. Wouldn’t make any sense when you’re in the push for a playoffs.

WCDawg

@Teddy said:

@WCDawg said:

@Teddy said:

@donm said:

@Teddy said:

@donm said:

@Teddy said:
I didn’t expect Duvall to be a starter. Just expected him to bat above .200. Didn’t know that was too much to ask from a major leaguer. But now I know, just because he gets out all the time he is way better than that. All those unproductive outs are actually good... PS: I believe in many of the advanced metrics/stats, like bunting, pitchouts, intentional walks are more harmful than good, etc. etc... also, I know Duvall has one more year on his deal, but Tucker who was traded away beats Duvall in all your important stats you listed.

Not in ML career stats, I don't think. Certainly not in power #'s. Somewhere it was stated earlier that he had averaged a lot of HR's in the past 2-3 years, excluding this year. Plus he's a well above average defensive OF guy. Just sayin'.

He's had two good years when it comes to HRs, and it was his first two full seasons. Not sure if he's like Francoeur, and the league just figured him out? I hope he figures it out and becomes an asset. But I'm merely talking about his current play, as that's what matters the most. I'm sure he's working hard on it, but still hoping to see actual results. Next year is a contract year, so I'm sure he'll be working his tail off. Speaking of contract years, I wonder what Markakis is going to ask for?

Boy, Markakis. That's a tough one. Career year but he is getting a bit long in the tooth. How many years will he want? 2? 3? 4? they've got Pache' getting closer to ML ready down on the farm. Maybe trade NM? Surely there would be some takers after the year he's having. Sounds crazy to trade a MVP candidate, but it's a business, right? Tough call.

You can’t trade Markakis. Trade deadline has passed.

There are exceptions, but you wouldn't trade him when you're still very much in the playoff picture anyway.

You’d have to put him on waivers, then the worst record team that claims him gets him. Wouldn’t make any sense when you’re in the push for a playoffs.

I'll have to look into it, but later season trades do happen with players going to contenders.
Again, I don't know the ins and outs on how they can be managed.
PS. A quick check shows Jason Verlander was traded to Houston at the end of August last season. That trade should provide the answers as to the method and rules involved in trades to contenders this time of year.

Teddy

@WCDawg said:

@Teddy said:

@WCDawg said:

@Teddy said:

@donm said:

@Teddy said:

@donm said:

@Teddy said:
I didn’t expect Duvall to be a starter. Just expected him to bat above .200. Didn’t know that was too much to ask from a major leaguer. But now I know, just because he gets out all the time he is way better than that. All those unproductive outs are actually good... PS: I believe in many of the advanced metrics/stats, like bunting, pitchouts, intentional walks are more harmful than good, etc. etc... also, I know Duvall has one more year on his deal, but Tucker who was traded away beats Duvall in all your important stats you listed.

Not in ML career stats, I don't think. Certainly not in power #'s. Somewhere it was stated earlier that he had averaged a lot of HR's in the past 2-3 years, excluding this year. Plus he's a well above average defensive OF guy. Just sayin'.

He's had two good years when it comes to HRs, and it was his first two full seasons. Not sure if he's like Francoeur, and the league just figured him out? I hope he figures it out and becomes an asset. But I'm merely talking about his current play, as that's what matters the most. I'm sure he's working hard on it, but still hoping to see actual results. Next year is a contract year, so I'm sure he'll be working his tail off. Speaking of contract years, I wonder what Markakis is going to ask for?

Boy, Markakis. That's a tough one. Career year but he is getting a bit long in the tooth. How many years will he want? 2? 3? 4? they've got Pache' getting closer to ML ready down on the farm. Maybe trade NM? Surely there would be some takers after the year he's having. Sounds crazy to trade a MVP candidate, but it's a business, right? Tough call.

You can’t trade Markakis. Trade deadline has passed.

There are exceptions, but you wouldn't trade him when you're still very much in the playoff picture anyway.

You’d have to put him on waivers, then the worst record team that claims him gets him. Wouldn’t make any sense when you’re in the push for a playoffs.

I'll have to look into it, but later season trades do happen with players going to contenders.
Again, I don't know the ins and outs on how they can be managed.

I could see bad teams not even worrying about claiming him since they have no chance, and his contract is up after the season. Then he could fall to a contender.

WCDawg

@Teddy said:

@WCDawg said:

@Teddy said:

@WCDawg said:

@Teddy said:

@donm said:

@Teddy said:

@donm said:

@Teddy said:
I didn’t expect Duvall to be a starter. Just expected him to bat above .200. Didn’t know that was too much to ask from a major leaguer. But now I know, just because he gets out all the time he is way better than that. All those unproductive outs are actually good... PS: I believe in many of the advanced metrics/stats, like bunting, pitchouts, intentional walks are more harmful than good, etc. etc... also, I know Duvall has one more year on his deal, but Tucker who was traded away beats Duvall in all your important stats you listed.

Not in ML career stats, I don't think. Certainly not in power #'s. Somewhere it was stated earlier that he had averaged a lot of HR's in the past 2-3 years, excluding this year. Plus he's a well above average defensive OF guy. Just sayin'.

He's had two good years when it comes to HRs, and it was his first two full seasons. Not sure if he's like Francoeur, and the league just figured him out? I hope he figures it out and becomes an asset. But I'm merely talking about his current play, as that's what matters the most. I'm sure he's working hard on it, but still hoping to see actual results. Next year is a contract year, so I'm sure he'll be working his tail off. Speaking of contract years, I wonder what Markakis is going to ask for?

Boy, Markakis. That's a tough one. Career year but he is getting a bit long in the tooth. How many years will he want? 2? 3? 4? they've got Pache' getting closer to ML ready down on the farm. Maybe trade NM? Surely there would be some takers after the year he's having. Sounds crazy to trade a MVP candidate, but it's a business, right? Tough call.

You can’t trade Markakis. Trade deadline has passed.

There are exceptions, but you wouldn't trade him when you're still very much in the playoff picture anyway.

You’d have to put him on waivers, then the worst record team that claims him gets him. Wouldn’t make any sense when you’re in the push for a playoffs.

I'll have to look into it, but later season trades do happen with players going to contenders.
Again, I don't know the ins and outs on how they can be managed.

I could see bad teams not even worrying about claiming him since they have no chance, and his contract is up after the season. Then he could fall to a contender.

The Verlander trade from Detriot to Houston last season was a fairly intricate 2 team trade made on the last day of August.
If a trade is made past August the traded players are not eligible for the postseason.

donm

@Teddy said:

@donm said:

@Teddy said:

@donm said:

@Teddy said:
I didn’t expect Duvall to be a starter. Just expected him to bat above .200. Didn’t know that was too much to ask from a major leaguer. But now I know, just because he gets out all the time he is way better than that. All those unproductive outs are actually good... PS: I believe in many of the advanced metrics/stats, like bunting, pitchouts, intentional walks are more harmful than good, etc. etc... also, I know Duvall has one more year on his deal, but Tucker who was traded away beats Duvall in all your important stats you listed.

Not in ML career stats, I don't think. Certainly not in power #'s. Somewhere it was stated earlier that he had averaged a lot of HR's in the past 2-3 years, excluding this year. Plus he's a well above average defensive OF guy. Just sayin'.

He's had two good years when it comes to HRs, and it was his first two full seasons. Not sure if he's like Francoeur, and the league just figured him out? I hope he figures it out and becomes an asset. But I'm merely talking about his current play, as that's what matters the most. I'm sure he's working hard on it, but still hoping to see actual results. Next year is a contract year, so I'm sure he'll be working his tail off. Speaking of contract years, I wonder what Markakis is going to ask for?

Boy, Markakis. That's a tough one. Career year but he is getting a bit long in the tooth. How many years will he want? 2? 3? 4? they've got Pache' getting closer to ML ready down on the farm. Maybe trade NM? Surely there would be some takers after the year he's having. Sounds crazy to trade a MVP candidate, but it's a business, right? Tough call.

You can’t trade Markakis. Trade deadline has passed.

off season trade.