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The Braves traded 3 good prospects for a .205 hitter...

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  • LD10LD10 Posts: 434 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    He is no worst then Fhlarety. Both are awful bench players.

  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @LD10 said:
    He is no worst then Fhlarety. Both are awful bench players.

    I’ll take Flaherty, who’s batting 30 pts higher.

  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Kirbstomper said:
    Also, while yeah his advanced metrics are bad (WRC+ is what I'm referring to) his wOBA is significantly lower than his xWOBA. This implies he has had some bad luck with balls in play this season, and is due for some positive regression.

    Seems like you're just getting mad to be mad lol.

    I merely posted his stats. How is that being mad?

  • LD10LD10 Posts: 434 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    How many homeruns does Fhlarety have. Both are bad.

  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @LD10 said:
    How many homeruns does Fhlarety have. Both are bad.

    I like how people bring up Flaherty, as if we have to choose one. And when this thread is about the trade, not about someone already on the team... I’m just wondering if there was anyone else out there to trade for, that might bat higher than .200, and not strikeout 3 out of every 10 times.

  • KirbstomperKirbstomper Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Teddy said:

    @Kirbstomper said:
    Also, while yeah his advanced metrics are bad (WRC+ is what I'm referring to) his wOBA is significantly lower than his xWOBA. This implies he has had some bad luck with balls in play this season, and is due for some positive regression.

    Seems like you're just getting mad to be mad lol.

    I merely posted his stats. How is that being mad?

    Sorry man, reply fail. I thought this was a new thread and everyone is acting like sims or wisler were ever going to be better than replacement level and that we only did this to save money

  • RDDawgRDDawg Posts: 235 ✭✭✭ Junior

    With all the pitchers they have acquired over the last 3 or 4 years, they should not be looking for pitching. Several of these top prospects they got in return for established MLB players have not panned out. I question the scouting staff.

  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited August 2018

    @RDDawg said:
    With all the pitchers they have acquired over the last 3 or 4 years, they should not be looking for pitching. Several of these top prospects they got in return for established MLB players have not panned out. I question the scouting staff.

    Think it’s a might early to give up on most of those prospects including Folty and Newcombe. I recall a couple of guys named Glavine and Smoltz who didn’t set the world on fire right off the bat.

  • KirbstomperKirbstomper Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @RDDawg said:
    With all the pitchers they have acquired over the last 3 or 4 years, they should not be looking for pitching. Several of these top prospects they got in return for established MLB players have not panned out. I question the scouting staff.

    That is just how prospects work though, they don’t work out a bunch of the time. I don’t have any metrics on whether the scouting and development staff is doing any better or worse than league average, but my gut feels like they are doing fine. But yeah, a lot of the trades they made when they were initially selling their proven players were not my favorite (the Simmons for newk trade still bugs me grrrr).

    Pitching prospects are especially volatile though. You can definitely question whether rebuilding with high school arms was the right move, but the fact that many of them would end up not being good MLB pitchers was probably already factored into the decision. Most of the teams who have had successful rebuilds lately did it with bats though, and hitting prospects have more value than equally talented pitching prospects in terms of a trade too...so idk why they decided to jump on high school arms so heavy.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Teddy said:

    @Kirbstomper said:
    Also, while yeah his advanced metrics are bad (WRC+ is what I'm referring to) his wOBA is significantly lower than his xWOBA. This implies he has had some bad luck with balls in play this season, and is due for some positive regression.

    Seems like you're just getting mad to be mad lol.

    I merely posted his stats. How is that being mad?

    It was at best a near worthless trade.

  • christopheruleschristopherules Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg does this mean that they (Braves front office) are kind of like giving up on this season? Or are they just bumbling?

  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @christopherules said:
    @WCDawg does this mean that they (Braves front office) are kind of like giving up on this season? Or are they just bumbling?

    I don’t think they’re giving up. Just didn’t have the $$ to get a Machado type player. But just weird they got a .200 hitter who strikes out a ton. Seems they could’ve found a .250 batter. Guess they were hoping a change of scenery would help Duvall, hasn’t panned out so far. Hope he proves me wrong in the long run.

  • KirbstomperKirbstomper Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Teddy said:

    @christopherules said:
    @WCDawg does this mean that they (Braves front office) are kind of like giving up on this season? Or are they just bumbling?

    I don’t think they’re giving up. Just didn’t have the $$ to get a Machado type player. But just weird they got a .200 hitter who strikes out a ton. Seems they could’ve found a .250 batter. Guess they were hoping a change of scenery would help Duvall, hasn’t panned out so far. Hope he proves me wrong in the long run.

    Guys, batting average is not a good measurement of offensive production. Dansby is hitting around 240 and Duvall 200, but us nerds would tell you Duvall has produced about 5% better than dansby offensively. Don’t get so caught up in the batting average, it’s a dated stat.

    And yeah WC, that’s really what most people see it as. A non big deal trade that probably helps us a marginal amount and we didn’t really give up any players that were of significant value. This wasn’t a “going for it” type of move.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Teddy said:

    @christopherules said:
    @WCDawg does this mean that they (Braves front office) are kind of like giving up on this season? Or are they just bumbling?

    I don’t think they’re giving up. Just didn’t have the $$ to get a Machado type player. But just weird they got a .200 hitter who strikes out a ton. Seems they could’ve found a .250 batter. Guess they were hoping a change of scenery would help Duvall, hasn’t panned out so far. Hope he proves me wrong in the long run.

    This is not The NBA, there are no hard caps.
    The team didn't have money because Liberty has them on a short financial leash.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited August 2018

    @christopherules said:
    @WCDawg does this mean that they (Braves front office) are kind of like giving up on this season? Or are they just bumbling?

    It's all about Liberty Media in my opinion.
    Duvall came very CHEAP dollar wise.

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