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Will anybody else be glad when Tiger retires ?...

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Kasey said:

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    @Teddy said:

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    Also, I've broken down The top players Jack had to beat to the deep but mediocre fields Tiger faced.
    The fact is Tiger's era was very weak at the top. Most of the players who finished 2nd to him in majors will be forgotten, most already have been. Jack faced Palmer, Player, Trevino, Watson and several other golfers who rate higher than any Tiger had to contend with other than Phil, and Phil didn't learn how to win till after Tiger went into decline.

    You’re basically naming his top 5 or so competitors. Why? Because after that the talent significantly drops. Tiger is going against 120-156 of the top players from around the globe. Something that wasn’t happening in the 60s-70s.

    Also, I guess Els, Singh, Goosen, Furyk, Harrington, etc. don’t count as good players. Know why all those legends have all those majors? Huge talent drop off after the top handful of guys. Now there’s less disparity in talent, and you’ll see a good golfer have a great tournament and never win another major (mainly due to much larger fields making the probability much tougher to repeat, making Tiger’s achievements look even crazier).

    Come on, none of those players Tiger faced were in Palmer's, Player's, Trevino's or Watson's league.
    In majors the cream rises, a large field of also rans means little to nothing.

    I think they all were in those leagues. Tigers legendary win percentage kept them from being more successful

    If that was true we would have seen a great player or 2 rise to finish 2nd and win more of the majors Tiger didn't win, that never happened because there were no other greats to rise to the top.
    It was a deep but mediocre bunch.

    A lot of the guys I named earlier, that you left off as tiger’s competition, placed second many times. But hey, if you want to ignore larger/deeper fields as to why there’s no definitive top 5 list of competitors, have at it.

    That really isn't accurate, I posted a list of the players who finished 2nd to Tiger in every major he won awhile back. It is a very forgettable bunch, with a couple of exceptions.

    And our counterpoint is that tiger made them seem forgettable.

    Toms and most of the others were forgettable all on their own.

    And not many talk about Trevino much these days

    Sure they do, at least real golf historians do.
    Here is a break down of the rank of the top 50 all time players Jack and Tiger faced when those players were in their primes.

    Jack
    6
    8
    9
    10
    15
    17
    23
    26
    27
    36
    37
    38
    50
    4 of the top 10 and 13 of the top 50

    Tiger
    14
    21
    25
    44

    None of the top 10 and 4 of the top 50

    What source and criteria are you using for these rankings?

    I think it's a Golf Digest ranking.

    If you want a ranking based on a pt system..

    TAGG ranking

    Jack
    5
    6
    9
    11
    14
    16
    17
    18
    22
    26
    27
    32
    36
    37
    41
    42
    49

    Tiger
    8 (Phil)
    13
    19
    39
    40
    44
    46
    50

    You won't find a respectable source where these things will favor Tiger.

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  • KaseyKasey Posts: 29,858 mod

    @WCDawg said:

    @Kasey said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Kasey said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Kasey said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Kasey said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    Also, I've broken down The top players Jack had to beat to the deep but mediocre fields Tiger faced.
    The fact is Tiger's era was very weak at the top. Most of the players who finished 2nd to him in majors will be forgotten, most already have been. Jack faced Palmer, Player, Trevino, Watson and several other golfers who rate higher than any Tiger had to contend with other than Phil, and Phil didn't learn how to win till after Tiger went into decline.

    You’re basically naming his top 5 or so competitors. Why? Because after that the talent significantly drops. Tiger is going against 120-156 of the top players from around the globe. Something that wasn’t happening in the 60s-70s.

    Also, I guess Els, Singh, Goosen, Furyk, Harrington, etc. don’t count as good players. Know why all those legends have all those majors? Huge talent drop off after the top handful of guys. Now there’s less disparity in talent, and you’ll see a good golfer have a great tournament and never win another major (mainly due to much larger fields making the probability much tougher to repeat, making Tiger’s achievements look even crazier).

    Come on, none of those players Tiger faced were in Palmer's, Player's, Trevino's or Watson's league.
    In majors the cream rises, a large field of also rans means little to nothing.

    I think they all were in those leagues. Tigers legendary win percentage kept them from being more successful

    If that was true we would have seen a great player or 2 rise to finish 2nd and win more of the majors Tiger didn't win, that never happened because there were no other greats to rise to the top.
    It was a deep but mediocre bunch.

    A lot of the guys I named earlier, that you left off as tiger’s competition, placed second many times. But hey, if you want to ignore larger/deeper fields as to why there’s no definitive top 5 list of competitors, have at it.

    That really isn't accurate, I posted a list of the players who finished 2nd to Tiger in every major he won awhile back. It is a very forgettable bunch, with a couple of exceptions.

    And our counterpoint is that tiger made them seem forgettable.

    Toms and most of the others were forgettable all on their own.

    And not many talk about Trevino much these days

    Sure they do, at least real golf historians do.
    Here is a break down of the rank of the top 50 all time players Jack and Tiger faced when those players were in their primes.

    Jack
    6
    8
    9
    10
    15
    17
    23
    26
    27
    36
    37
    38
    50
    4 of the top 10 and 13 of the top 50

    Tiger
    14
    21
    25
    44

    None of the top 10 and 4 of the top 50

    What source and criteria are you using for these rankings?

    I think it's a Golf Digest ranking.

    If you want a ranking based on a pt system..

    TAGG ranking

    Jack
    5
    6
    9
    11
    14
    16
    17
    18
    22
    26
    27
    32
    36
    37
    41
    42
    49

    Tiger
    8 (Phil)
    13
    19
    39
    40
    44
    46
    50

    You won't find a respectable source where these things will favor Tiger.

    Thanks. I was just curious...not trying to pick a fight.

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  • JoelSidneyKellyJoelSidneyKelly Posts: 3,678 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Tiger was great (I was rooting for him Sunday). Arnie was great, too. So were Snead and Jones and Nelson. Sarazen, Player, Hagan... all spectacular. If Tiger wins another US Open and another PGA and two more green jackets (and I won't say that's impossible) we can start the debate. Anyone can "shoulda, woulda, coulda" for 100 years, but there is one GOAT (and @WCDawg is right about this one):
    Jack Nicklaus.

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  • gdawg4lifegdawg4life Posts: 799 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Well, well...looks like Tiger still has something left

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