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Chip's article on Smart and Media

imagadawg62imagadawg62 Posts: 56 ✭✭ Sophomore
edited August 2018 in Off Topic

You go Chip. Good stuff.

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    dawgnation7dawgnation7 Posts: 443 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
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    mleemlee Posts: 721 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    It’s on the main Dawgnation page..

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    BamaDawgBamaDawg Posts: 2,523 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Sounds like a bunch of sour grapes. I have no doubt concerning the integrity of our reporters. However, in today's age of social media, every one is a quasi member of that profession and unfortunately Skip and others are thrown in that group.
    As for the FWAA, even Skip said that everything was a recommendation. I don't think any of us begrudge Kirby for not allowing freshmen to talk during the season. As for not getting time with the players that are requested, again everyone is at the mercy of Kirby. I think what is lost here is the understanding that a large majority of these players are kids (18,19,or 20). Can you imagine how well you would handle a mob of microphones in your face at 19? If I was a parent in that situation and could control it, I wouldn't let my kid talk either.

    Let me finish by saying that I am GRATEFUL for every article.

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    scooterdawgscooterdawg Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I really don’t agree with Chip on a lot but he’s right on this one. You can’t let McGill donors into the game and then go off on the reporters who are A) doing their job, and B) are a hell of a lot less likely to leak info than rich fatcats who are used to having their rears kissed and probably don’t think the rules apply to them. I’d bet money that it was one of the favored spectators that leaked the story.
    But Kirby didn’t want to piss off the rich guys so he went off on the press. As a fan you should want the press to do their jobs because I can guarantee that Kirby(and most coaches) would prefer to keep the average fan in a mushroom state(as in keep them in the dark and feed them crap). I get as annoyed as the next guy when I think a reporter is trying to push a narrative about the team or has an axe to grind but I’m not willing to just take whatever crumbs Kirby decides to throw the way of the average fan who doesn’t donate enough money to be privileged. I doubt I’m the only one and I doubt the sport would be as popular if we only got what the coaches felt that we deserved.

    The big donors are nice to have but without the press and the guys and gals who spend what they can to go to games, watch them on TV, and support the team however they can Kirby and other coaches aren’t making millions of dollars. Not to mention that most big time coaches are the most highly paid state employees in their states. If you want to control every single thing then go coach at a private school.

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    BamaDawgBamaDawg Posts: 2,523 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @scooterdawg said:
    I really don’t agree with Chip on a lot but he’s right on this one. You can’t let McGill donors into the game and then go off on the reporters who are A) doing their job, and B) are a hell of a lot less likely to leak info than rich fatcats who are used to having their rears kissed and probably don’t think the rules apply to them. I’d bet money that it was one of the favored spectators that leaked the story.
    But Kirby didn’t want to piss off the rich guys so he went off on the press. As a fan you should want the press to do their jobs because I can guarantee that Kirby(and most coaches) would prefer to keep the average fan in a mushroom state(as in keep them in the dark and feed them crap). I get as annoyed as the next guy when I think a reporter is trying to push a narrative about the team or has an axe to grind but I’m not willing to just take whatever crumbs Kirby decides to throw the way of the average fan who doesn’t donate enough money to be privileged. I doubt I’m the only one and I doubt the sport would be as popular if we only got what the coaches felt that we deserved.

    The big donors are nice to have but without the press and the guys and gals who spend what they can to go to games, watch them on TV, and support the team however they can Kirby and other coaches aren’t making millions of dollars. Not to mention that most big time coaches are the most highly paid state employees in their states. If you want to control every single thing then go coach at a private school.

    I understand what you are saying, but big donors aren't "nice to have". They are a requirement now in days. If I was a big donor I (like anyone else) would want something extra.
    As for the media,I believe it is a requirement that a coach control the narrative coming out of the locker room. You can't have just anyone giving quotes to the media. I agree that the press is very important and I can't get enough Dawg info. However, I agree with others on here, if he is having a problem with Kirby, he should handle it with Kirby. I don't come on here complaining about problems I had at work.

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @BamaDawg said:

    @scooterdawg said:
    I really don’t agree with Chip on a lot but he’s right on this one. You can’t let McGill donors into the game and then go off on the reporters who are A) doing their job, and B) are a hell of a lot less likely to leak info than rich fatcats who are used to having their rears kissed and probably don’t think the rules apply to them. I’d bet money that it was one of the favored spectators that leaked the story.
    But Kirby didn’t want to piss off the rich guys so he went off on the press. As a fan you should want the press to do their jobs because I can guarantee that Kirby(and most coaches) would prefer to keep the average fan in a mushroom state(as in keep them in the dark and feed them crap). I get as annoyed as the next guy when I think a reporter is trying to push a narrative about the team or has an axe to grind but I’m not willing to just take whatever crumbs Kirby decides to throw the way of the average fan who doesn’t donate enough money to be privileged. I doubt I’m the only one and I doubt the sport would be as popular if we only got what the coaches felt that we deserved.

    The big donors are nice to have but without the press and the guys and gals who spend what they can to go to games, watch them on TV, and support the team however they can Kirby and other coaches aren’t making millions of dollars. Not to mention that most big time coaches are the most highly paid state employees in their states. If you want to control every single thing then go coach at a private school.

    I understand what you are saying, but big donors aren't "nice to have". They are a requirement now in days. If I was a big donor I (like anyone else) would want something extra.
    As for the media,I believe it is a requirement that a coach control the narrative coming out of the locker room. You can't have just anyone giving quotes to the media. I agree that the press is very important and I can't get enough Dawg info. However, I agree with others on here, if he is having a problem with Kirby, he should handle it with Kirby. I don't come on here complaining about problems I had at work.

    WE are Chip's work. I expect your work has nothing to do with communicating with UGA football fans, but his has everything to do with it.

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    scooterdawgscooterdawg Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I actually agree about the players not always being made available to the media. I don’t really think that in most cases they really have a lot to say that’s valuable and they certainly don’t need to weigh in every thing that happens. Big donors are definitely good to have and I’m sure that a lot of them genuinely want to help the program. I guess my opinion of them is colored by the fact that I went to school with the son and heir of a pretty big time donor in the past. The son was a complete and total waste of oxygen that has probably never worked a day in his life and was the most entitled **** I’ve ever seen because his grandfather and father turned a used car business into a large group. As far as I know he’s probably using that money to throw his weight around now.

    I just don’t see how you can let certain people into closed practices yet freeze out the press. I guess you have to kiss their butts but if you accuse the press of leaking stuff yet don’t hold the donors to the same rules then I think it’s kinda lame. At least try to ask the McGill people to not be sharing information until after the practice is over. They do deserve something for their money but they are already getting special access and many other perks that the average fan never will. To try to make the press feel bad by basically accusing them of leaking it and implying that they are hurting the kid’s mom when they already put up with a lot of restrictions so would probably be the least likely to leak information, while you let off the rich folks who most likely did is disingenuous IMO.

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    BamaDawgBamaDawg Posts: 2,523 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @BamaDawg said:

    @scooterdawg said:
    I really don’t agree with Chip on a lot but he’s right on this one. You can’t let McGill donors into the game and then go off on the reporters who are A) doing their job, and B) are a hell of a lot less likely to leak info than rich fatcats who are used to having their rears kissed and probably don’t think the rules apply to them. I’d bet money that it was one of the favored spectators that leaked the story.
    But Kirby didn’t want to piss off the rich guys so he went off on the press. As a fan you should want the press to do their jobs because I can guarantee that Kirby(and most coaches) would prefer to keep the average fan in a mushroom state(as in keep them in the dark and feed them crap). I get as annoyed as the next guy when I think a reporter is trying to push a narrative about the team or has an axe to grind but I’m not willing to just take whatever crumbs Kirby decides to throw the way of the average fan who doesn’t donate enough money to be privileged. I doubt I’m the only one and I doubt the sport would be as popular if we only got what the coaches felt that we deserved.

    The big donors are nice to have but without the press and the guys and gals who spend what they can to go to games, watch them on TV, and support the team however they can Kirby and other coaches aren’t making millions of dollars. Not to mention that most big time coaches are the most highly paid state employees in their states. If you want to control every single thing then go coach at a private school.

    I understand what you are saying, but big donors aren't "nice to have". They are a requirement now in days. If I was a big donor I (like anyone else) would want something extra.
    As for the media,I believe it is a requirement that a coach control the narrative coming out of the locker room. You can't have just anyone giving quotes to the media. I agree that the press is very important and I can't get enough Dawg info. However, I agree with others on here, if he is having a problem with Kirby, he should handle it with Kirby. I don't come on here complaining about problems I had at work.

    WE are Chip's work. I expect your work has nothing to do with communicating with UGA football fans, but his has everything to do with it.

    WE are not Chip's work. WE ARE THE BENEFACTORS of Chip's work (surely, you can see the difference). Work that I am sure he puts countless hours and effort into, and for that I am grateful. However, as others have said, if he is having trouble doing his job, I sympathize, but I don't won't to hear about it.

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @BamaDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @BamaDawg said:

    @scooterdawg said:
    I really don’t agree with Chip on a lot but he’s right on this one. You can’t let McGill donors into the game and then go off on the reporters who are A) doing their job, and B) are a hell of a lot less likely to leak info than rich fatcats who are used to having their rears kissed and probably don’t think the rules apply to them. I’d bet money that it was one of the favored spectators that leaked the story.
    But Kirby didn’t want to piss off the rich guys so he went off on the press. As a fan you should want the press to do their jobs because I can guarantee that Kirby(and most coaches) would prefer to keep the average fan in a mushroom state(as in keep them in the dark and feed them crap). I get as annoyed as the next guy when I think a reporter is trying to push a narrative about the team or has an axe to grind but I’m not willing to just take whatever crumbs Kirby decides to throw the way of the average fan who doesn’t donate enough money to be privileged. I doubt I’m the only one and I doubt the sport would be as popular if we only got what the coaches felt that we deserved.

    The big donors are nice to have but without the press and the guys and gals who spend what they can to go to games, watch them on TV, and support the team however they can Kirby and other coaches aren’t making millions of dollars. Not to mention that most big time coaches are the most highly paid state employees in their states. If you want to control every single thing then go coach at a private school.

    I understand what you are saying, but big donors aren't "nice to have". They are a requirement now in days. If I was a big donor I (like anyone else) would want something extra.
    As for the media,I believe it is a requirement that a coach control the narrative coming out of the locker room. You can't have just anyone giving quotes to the media. I agree that the press is very important and I can't get enough Dawg info. However, I agree with others on here, if he is having a problem with Kirby, he should handle it with Kirby. I don't come on here complaining about problems I had at work.

    WE are Chip's work. I expect your work has nothing to do with communicating with UGA football fans, but his has everything to do with it.

    WE are not Chip's work. WE ARE THE BENEFACTORS of Chip's work (surely, you can see the difference). Work that I am sure he puts countless hours and effort into, and for that I am grateful. However, as others have said, if he is having trouble doing his job, I sympathize, but I don't won't to hear about it.

    You're splitting hairs and making no real point. If you are charged with instructing students you can say those students are not your work, but it's a distinction without meaning.

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    levanderlevander Posts: 4,481 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I don’t know why we need to hear from the players so much. I’ve seen like Sentell do in-depth interviews that were good, very occasionally. And who was the kid Chip went out to I think it was Missouri to do a piece on? He was a recruiting target that ended up not coming to UGA.

    But all they usually say in those little spot appearances is like, “iron sharpens iron” or “wow we’ve been working hard!l

    It’s rare they say anything of any import.

    Well, during the season it’s rare. On the recruiting trail is different because they’re trying to make a decision. And people want to know what they’re thinking about that decision.

    Probably the best things they’ll comment on during the season is how a specific play went. Like the time Fromm was talking about how he handed Swift the ball and Swift ran the wrong way. But quotes like that are rare compared to what the players usually say.

    Overall I liked Chip’s article though. I had no idea Kirby has strayed so far from industry guidelines.

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Smart's reaction when asked if people saw the practice seems telling. He switched to they aren't a problem, to focus on reporters, he was being disingenuous. He was mad about being asked a question and made a suggestion about something he was clearly wrong about. No media outlet was reporting the injury prior to the presser, it came from the gentrified folks who got to watch practice in exchange for cash.
    So 1100 schmos can watch, but not reporters.
    Some you are humbling yourselves below ''boosters''. This is not what CBF has been about since it's inception. The game is being handed to the money men. Bama is actually reducing stadium capacity to make room for 3000 seats for the gentry set.

    Back to the point. So Kirby can make a false claim, then retreat when he realizes it was probably people who are allowed to watch who spilled the beans, not reporters.

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @levander said:
    I don’t know why we need to hear from the players so much. I’ve seen like Sentell do in-depth interviews that were good, very occasionally. And who was the kid Chip went out to I think it was Missouri to do a piece on? He was a recruiting target that ended up not coming to UGA.

    But all they usually say in those little spot appearances is like, “iron sharpens iron” or “wow we’ve been working hard!l

    It’s rare they say anything of any import.

    Well, during the season it’s rare. On the recruiting trail is different because they’re trying to make a decision. And people want to know what they’re thinking about that decision.

    Probably the best things they’ll comment on during the season is how a specific play went. Like the time Fromm was talking about how he handed Swift the ball and Swift ran the wrong way. But quotes like that are rare compared to what the players usually say.

    Overall I liked Chip’s article though. I had no idea Kirby has strayed so far from industry guidelines.

    He is doing what Saban does.

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    dougiejdougiej Posts: 15 ✭✭ Sophomore

    Just what we need at UGA - a whining media in an adversarial position to CKS.
    I am truly sorry that White is injured, and pray that he makes a full recovery. “How” he was injured doesn’t really matter. That stuff happens. I remember Malcolm Mitchell was injured celebrating after a TD was scored by another player in the first game of that year. He just jumped up and came down wrong and tore an ACL.
    The media can report without having this Jim Acosta type attitude IMHO.

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @dougiej said:
    Just what we need at UGA - a whining media in an adversarial position to CKS.
    I am truly sorry that White is injured, and pray that he makes a full recovery. “How” he was injured doesn’t really matter. That stuff happens. I remember Malcolm Mitchell was injured celebrating after a TD was scored by another player in the first game of that year. He just jumped up and came down wrong and tore an ACL.
    The media can report without having this Jim Acosta type attitude IMHO.

    Yes, we need a questioning media, always.

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @bigdawg2223 said:
    Chip has had sour grapes since CKS got here about not being able to talk to players. It’s nothing personal but I don’t read Towers take anymore, I know not all of what he writes is crying about how CKS is handles the media. It’s like this when Chip Towers is the head coach for the Georgia Bulldogs he can decide how much the players talk to the media.

    That isn't sour grapes, learn your parables. It's just disagreeing with policy.

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    BoulderDawgBoulderDawg Posts: 721 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Just in my opinion.....Kirby screwed up......everyone does...he's not god...but he did screw up

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