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Here is something to consider when evaluating the Cox-Schuerholz tandem.
Cox retired in 2010. In 2011 Dan Uggla was given a huge contract. In 2013 BJ Upton and Justin Upton were given huge contracts. Have we made any really good free agent signings since Bobby stepped down as manager ?
Bobby was also the one who stacked the farm system that created the 1991 pitching staff. Schuerholz was clearly good, but they were a great team.
Markakis was a solid signing. But no, they haven't done well with the very few players they've signed for average to above average money. There's not many they sign for any money these days.
True, Markakis was a good pick up. So was Anibal Sanchez last year.
This is frequently your MO, Teddy.
You claimed 14 straight years because of Ted. I simply gave you a fact.
I didn’t say he was the only reason. You named a few bad contracts he signed. What person in the FO hasn’t signed some bad deals? But he sure forked over a lot more money for a lot more good players than bad to help the team out.
Pendleton and Bream were minor acquisitions who blew up. Otis Nixon (.297) hit 34 points higher as a Brave than any previous year of his career, and stole 22 more bases. They were supposed to be veterans to provide leadership for the young guys, but TP won the MVP. Totally unexpected, and without his career years in Atlanta the streak you mentioned would have never started. Maddux probably doesnt even sign with the Braves without the 91/92 trips to the World Series, which were the result of luckily signinng role players who blew up and young pitchers maturing, not because we had a great owner throwing money around.
@Bankwalker So, no credit for players picked up that performed well/better than some thought they would. All blame for those that didn't perform. Did I get that right? Seems fair.
No. You did not get that right.
Can you be more clear regarding how much credit you are assigning to Ted Turner? All of it? Did I get that right?
Turner was a better owner than Liberty, but he wasn’t known for fielding winning teams. He cared about winning but it wasnt until he stepped aside that the franchise took off. The Braves didnt go on their streak because of Ted’s willingness to spend on additions. It was the farm system Cox built that allowed for extra money in the budget for a guy like McGriff.
I'm not placing a value on Ted, other than he was an great asset for the most part. Just pointing out that you've blamed all bad contracts on him. And where there was success you give the credit to anyone else besides him.
He was kind of a junior Steinbrenner in the 80s though. As someone who watched A LOT of bad Braves teams in 89/90...he needed a little extra help
Agreed. But I think the Steinbrenner guy had some success too, didn’t he? Either way, I’m just not going to place every bad contract on him, and every good contract someone else gets the credit.
I know you’re a Mets fan, but yes or no, would you take him as an owner over liberty (or 90%+ percent of current MLB owners)? Oh, how spoiled us Braves fans used to be. I’ll take an owner who’s willing to spend top 3 money nearly every single year over what we have now. That’s what he did, and yes, he figured it out and let the baseball guys do their thing and he just wrote the checks. And for that I’m thankful. Otherwise, the Braves of the 90s just would’ve been another perennial losing team from the state of GA if it wasn’t for him.
Not saying you are, but others can trash him all they want, but we’d take him back in a heartbeat as the owner over this current garbage. Even if he was evaluating/signing the players, he would’ve attempted to sign an ace and bullpen help this year at least, Liberty will just standpat and collect the profits and laugh at us fans all the way to the bank.
Hah...don't talk to me about bad owners...the Wilpons are still paying Bobby Bonilla. But ultimately if the argument is whether you'd have Ted or Liberty, I think Ted wins each time.
The reason why Steinbrenner won all those titles in the 90s was bc he was suspended and Gene Michael was running the team without some impulsive owner making him trade every good young prospect. I'm convinced that if he was around he would've traded Bernie Williams for Billy Hatcher and Rob Dibble on the Reds
Meanwhile, Max Fried is pitching a beauty.
For those who missed it, Braves swept the Cubs. Won tonight's game behind six shutout innings by Max Fried and a fairly decent (/s/) offensive day for Nick Markakis. 5-for-5 with 5 RBI.
Also, Foltynewicz threw five scoreless innings in his rehab start at Gwinnett.