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Yeah they're basically saying this is here to stay might as well find a way to live with it. That's a terrifying future but it may be reality. About a third of the deaths are in nursing homes I believe. Sweden does have a really interesting demographic breakdown that is helping them with this strategy as well as a really strong sense of collectivism. They are doing well with social distancing without mandatory rules.
Can-o-worms time... as it opens (sounds like a can of tennis balls opening, with a faint background voice saying "don't do it...).
HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING (again, same faint voice)...
Given two choices, which would you choose:
A. Live in a free, America-ish society with an average lifespan of 45 years
B. Live in a communist, China-ish society with an average age of 90 years
(Basically, of course, do you judge quality over quantity, etc. not guaranteed anything, but letting percentages do their thing). And don't hit me with the "we shouldn't have to choose" side arguement. No crap, we shouldn't. It's my game! Just play it...
Can I take a middle ground 70 year option?
People keep talking about a vaccine and the time frame needed to produce one.
Is it not true that their has never been a vaccine produced for a corona virus in the past?
Not MERS not SARS.... why is everyone convinced there will be a vaccine for Covid - 19?
Not being critical. Just a suggestion. Maybe too big a spread. Don't think the avg. life span in China would be 90, nor only 45 in US.
Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. 2 million is a scary number. Really need a vaccine then. Do you have any numbers on the economy? How long can it last in its current state?
Also prayers for your continued health. I am very sorry to hear about your situation and I really hope you can get the procedures you need done soon.
I wasn't trying to suggest anything. Just wanted to know if he had numbers on what would happen if we went herd immunity vs waiting for vaccine.
On our weekly conference call yesterday we had one of our cardio vascular surgeons who had volunteered in Manhattan for a week. He talked about what he had seen and some of how it worked. He was assigned to one of the ICU units so he was in the thick of things. He said normally they would have 2 or 3 patients on ventilators but now all of the patients were on ventilators and the nurses were stretched extremely thin. The doctors were working on the vents and that would have gotten him chewed out when he was an intern but it was necessary in that situation since there wasn't enough people to cover all of the patients in the ICU. He also said that they worked extremely hard to make sure someone was holding a hand when the person died so they didn't die alone with their family on the phone telling the patient goodbye. You could see from his demeanor that he was still shaken about what he had witnessed. He was also just coming out of his 14 day quarantine which he sad was extremely lonely. I was thankful to get a first hand account of what was going on especially in such a hot zone. @Kasey, I'm glad you got out of there during this.
Also on the how long of life one should/would live. When my mom was dying her blood pressure was down to 50/30. All of the medical professionals working with her said she should be dead and the only thing they could figure out was since she had lived through the depression and WW2 that it made her one tough cookie.She lived for 2 days with that blood pressure before she died. I can attest to how tough of a cookie she was. Any 92 year old that will get out and crawl on her hands and knees just so she could work in her flower beds has to be tough and determined.
Are we as strong as that generation? I believe that will determine how we survive this virus as well as medical advancements.
@Denmen185 prayers and concern for you sir.
As someone who has to have an annual colonoscopy because of family history.....I'm praying you can have your procedure ASAP.
Hypothetical...
Neither scenario is real...
Just looking for opinion on which outlandish scenario you would prefer - aka free society that may kill you vs. not-near-as-free that may allow you to "live" longer. A few free years vs. a lot of manipulated years. Play the game! Or don't, it's a **** game for discussion sake...
Denmen185 -
I have had 2 colonoscopies already, and due another this year as well. Hoping to get mine done with no delays. I have been clear so far, but my dad (died at 51) and his brother (died at 47) both got bit by colon cancer. My older sister had a foot of her colon removed at 46 - they found it later than they wanted, but soon enough and she is cancer free.
Praying for you!
I'm glad you're taking care of yourself with that in your family history.
MERS and SARS were never widespread enough to warrant continued development of a vaccine and the common coronaviruses don't do enough damage where we would need a vaccine for them. Some previous research into coronaviruses including SARS-COV isn't very promising for vaccine development and preliminary research into SARS-COV-2 also isn't very promising, but we aren't entirely sure yet. There are ways to artificially create stronger immune responses with vaccines though.
There he been major advances since Jenner first noted that milk maids were relatively protected against smallpox, including the past few years. The likely reason we haven't developed vaccine for corona virus is because the SARS and MERS infections diminished rapidly. Attachment proteins on the viral capsule are a logical target. Several companies are applying that approach now. There are other targets being explored as well. Developing vaccines is a mine field, though.
Love the cacti (and the beef)...assuming the ridges are to hold the fat before the flip (?) I do a single divot in the center but haven't ever seen the rings. Is that a press you have or do you use a different tool?
Lest this post be flagged as off-topic, glad to hear that you & your family are doing well during this time!