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  • Canedawg2140Canedawg2140 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I am uncomfortable with any side of this actually being a thing... and for any of it to take effect, you would have to know who was prone to disease BEFORE they reproduce. That usually doesn't happen.

  • YaleDawgYaleDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Yes, it is morally reprehensible and needs to stay in the ash bin of history. It's disturbing that I keep seeing these arguments pop up in more than one place. I know its probably because people are frustrated with the current situation and want things to go back to normal but it doesn't justify "let the weak die" arguments.

  • Canedawg2140Canedawg2140 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Perfect day here in the Upstate of SC. Gonna get to around 80 with tons of sun.

    Tough day yesterday as we tried to plan or rearrange what senior recognition will look like, trying to figure out where to plan events, spacing, seating, etc.

    Its even more frustrating when you ride by Lowes on the way home and it's PACKED. Not sure how hundreds of people can be in Lowes all up in each other's business, yet we can't do school. Eeeeesh... I want some mulch, but it can wait...

    My fam is healthy here, just weary at times. Wife is sad for her 18 yr old, but staying strong. Gonna have dinner here with her parents tonight, spaced out, mainly outside. First time we will have seen them in 8 weeks or so. New norm, it seems.

    Great lead article on USA Today about Sweden and what it's doing. Their nursing homes have been rocked, like everywhere else. But they never shut everything down.

  • YaleDawgYaleDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited April 2020

    Sweden has actually done worse than we have going strictly off deaths. 231 deaths per million compared to our 174. Their neighbors are much lower in fatalities as well: Finland 36 per mil, Norway 39 per mil, and Denmark 75 per mil.

    Edit: the crux of the issue is that good enough to justify the weaker recession they may have compared to the rest of Europe. A difficult question.

  • Canedawg2140Canedawg2140 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Yep, with a few spots (nursing homes, it seems) really skewing their numbers. Yet they haven't overwhelmed a healthcare system with fewer beds per capita.

    Their reality is this - as long as there is not a peak, they are trying to find a SUSTAINABLE level of society that can roll forward for months and months. A level to settle in and continue living pre- vaccine.

    Is that our goal, or is New Zealand (zero-ish) our realistic goal?

  • YaleDawgYaleDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Yeah they're basically saying this is here to stay might as well find a way to live with it. That's a terrifying future but it may be reality. About a third of the deaths are in nursing homes I believe. Sweden does have a really interesting demographic breakdown that is helping them with this strategy as well as a really strong sense of collectivism. They are doing well with social distancing without mandatory rules.

  • Canedawg2140Canedawg2140 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Can-o-worms time... as it opens (sounds like a can of tennis balls opening, with a faint background voice saying "don't do it...).

    HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING (again, same faint voice)...

    Given two choices, which would you choose:

    A. Live in a free, America-ish society with an average lifespan of 45 years

    B. Live in a communist, China-ish society with an average age of 90 years

    (Basically, of course, do you judge quality over quantity, etc. not guaranteed anything, but letting percentages do their thing). And don't hit me with the "we shouldn't have to choose" side arguement. No crap, we shouldn't. It's my game! Just play it...

  • texdawgtexdawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    People keep talking about a vaccine and the time frame needed to produce one.

    Is it not true that their has never been a vaccine produced for a corona virus in the past?

    Not MERS not SARS.... why is everyone convinced there will be a vaccine for Covid - 19?

  • pocoyopocoyo ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Not being critical. Just a suggestion. Maybe too big a spread. Don't think the avg. life span in China would be 90, nor only 45 in US.

  • edited April 2020

    Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. 2 million is a scary number. Really need a vaccine then. Do you have any numbers on the economy? How long can it last in its current state?

    Also prayers for your continued health. I am very sorry to hear about your situation and I really hope you can get the procedures you need done soon.

  • I wasn't trying to suggest anything. Just wanted to know if he had numbers on what would happen if we went herd immunity vs waiting for vaccine.

  • texdawgtexdawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Denmen185 prayers and concern for you sir.

    As someone who has to have an annual colonoscopy because of family history.....I'm praying you can have your procedure ASAP.

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