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Oh the days of when a simple newspaper could just tell us what the crap was happening...
Bankwalker, thanks for sending me the link to the Medcram #97 video on vitamin D and CV 19. I thought it was so good that I would link it here for anyone interested in watching and learning. The Doc is a pulmonologist in CA who is experienced in treating CV 19. I thought it was interesting that he was discussing the same exact paper I linked here last week by one of the world's foremost vitamin D experts. I also felt somewhat vindicated in reading the paper because the doctors made so many of the points I have argued here and the paper wasn't published until last week.
https://youtu.be/Mdc7T2UTHBI
Denmen, although you make some good points about the testing, I don't think that comes close to explaining the higher death rates in winter. You mentioned it in passing at the end, but obviously the death rate per million wouldn't be affected by testing. I led with that point for a reason. Also, most studies show that the South has more of the risk factors for CV--higher African American, diabetes, obesity, etc., populations and therefore the South should have a higher death rate, not a lower one. Florida has those factors and millions of old people to boot--the very highest risk group. And yet, CT currently has over a 4X higher death rate than the Sunshine State. That's remarkable. IMHO, vitamin D levels in the population are the most logical explanation.
Jimmy Carter was elected President of the United States.
If that doesn’t make you wonder how long the media has been at this game then what will?
Bad answer Yale, Clorox would be better 🤣
The improvement is split between testing and treatment. In what proportions is the issue. I would point out that the treatment "We" is globally of which US is a part.
You don't think a surprise attack is often more deadly than others?
Did we not learn from 9/11?
I would take anything from Holick with a huge grain of salt. He has extensive financial ties to testing facilities which push for more vitamin D testing, the supplement industry, and the tanning bed industry. He also pushes the sale of his book on vitamin D. His vitamin D advocacy is fanatical, the dude thinks dinosaurs went extinct from lack of vitamin D.
He has used is position to help parents who abuse their children to retain custody. He says the broken bones were caused by a rare genetic disease in over 300 cases and never by abuse. This was disputed by actual experts for that genetic disease. In one instance the parent he helped to retain custody went on to bash their 9-months old's head in causing a traumatic brain injury. Holick is no longer allowed to treat children because of his abuses.
Again, lower levels of vitamin D are likely caused by illness and not the other way around.
Show me an RCT treating COVID-19 (they have already been done with everything else to no effect) and I'll change my mind.
That Holick guy is a real maroon. Devotes his life to deceiving people in to taking a supplement so he can profit, but in doing so chooses the least profitable he could have picked.
The disease definitely effects the ill more often, but which came first? If treating with vitamin D helps make them less susceptible, then where’s the harm? To dismiss a simple and essentially free supplement every human needs simply because it isn’t profitable is deserving of an internment camp for those so responsible. All in the name of profit.
Yale, IMO that is a pretty sloppy hatchet job on Dr. Holick. Even if one were to buy into the poorly disguised attack, it isn't like Holick is alone. There are busloads of scientists and doctors who are saying the same things about vitamin D. The science is there. That article was written in 2018. In my view, Holick appears to be vindicated and KHN appears to be the one that is misleading the public based on my look at the evidence with this disease. We could look at their financial interests and infer some nefarious motive, too. Anybody who is paid could have their motives questioned with that logic. While I don't disagree that disease might cause lower D levels, there are a boatload of studies showing D deficiency in winter in the general population. It is much worse at higher latitudes, among people with dark skin, in the obese, among diabetics, and among shut-ins, and the elderly--all (coincidentally?) at much higher risk with this disease, BTW. The levels are low because people haven't been exposed light in the UVB wavelength and they don't get vitamin D in their diet.
Who is dismissing it because it isn't profitable? Seriously, what are you talking about? Its recommended that at risk groups take a vitamin D supplement of around 600-800 IU depending on their age. Holick gets paid lots of money to push vitamin D supplements including mega doses of 50000 IU for everyone, tanning beds (a high risk carcinogen), and the necessity for widespread vitamin d testing. He made important advancements early in his career but he sold out and helps child abusers keep their kids as a hobby for some reason.
Vitamin D helps absorb calcium from the intestines making it important for bone health. We know it does that for sure. There have been lots of RCTs for vitamin D from heart disease to cancer and to asthma but they don't show much.
Come on, Den. The immune systems of the millions of 65+ residents in FL were just as surprised as the immune systems of the younger and healthier folks in CT. CT should have a much lower death rate than FL, not 4-5X higher. There has to be a logical reason. Mix in that it isn't just in N. America, but it also happened in Europe. It is also happening again right now in the S. Hemisphere as deaths are skyrocketing in winter.
How is it a hatchet job when its all true? They never said he is alone. He's influenced a lot of people. I get it. COVID is scary and people want a magic bullet cure that comes in the form of a low risk pill you can buy OTC. I can find you plenty of doctors who disagree with the vitamin D worship.
No one is disregarding vitamin D. Just saying there are only certain people who should be concerned with deficiencies, take low level supplements for certain groups, and not to overstate its value as a miracle cure for everything.
Its also sad that people will so fervently protect a child abuser.
I agree. I just assumed you knew the way the big boys collaborate with big government is not capitalism. Its more than just the bailouts, but that's not a discussion for this thread. Too many blame capitalism for wrongs that aren't capitalism.