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  • YaleDawgYaleDawg Posts: 7,303 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    If there is anything worth getting off track for it's pushing back against child abuse.

  • Canedawg2140Canedawg2140 Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I missed the post when somebody said it was no big deal or was OK.

    I will make sure if a topic comes up about favorite QB's I won't mention Michael Vick. Would hate to have to quickly transition into a debate in order to clarify how I feel about dog-fighting.

    Just saying... Pretty sure we all are against child abuse...

  • YaleDawgYaleDawg Posts: 7,303 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Idk. I mentioned Holicks past of protecting over 300 child abusers for money and was told it was a hatchet job.

  • PerroGrandePerroGrande Posts: 6,272 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited July 2020

    That's wrong, Yale. I said the article was a hatchet job. You did go off about Holick being a child abuser, but I purposely avoided that discussion because I was trying to keep it on topic. We have had a problem keeping the discussion on CV 19, you know. If you are implying that I am protecting a child abuser, you need to apologize now. I did no such thing, nor would I ever do that. I have no interest in defending the guy, so if you want to attack him go ahead. He is a vitamin D expert. Sorry if that makes you mad. There are a lot more vitamin D experts who make the same points.

  • Denmen185Denmen185 Posts: 7,535 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Bankwalker When I looked at Texas Test results I suggested that the data looked liked positive and negative tests were not being reported on the same day. You doubted that. All I was basing it on was the data which showed high %Pos 1 day and 1-2 days later low %Pos when pos were low and Neg high suggesting a "negative dump".

    This is Mississippi. The %Pos for July 19 was 100% followed by a doubling of negatives. Today's report ATM shows 982/982 tests were positive. I am betting unless there is a change today (will be first time ever) there will be a low %Pos tomorrow or Saturday. Can we agree that a negative dump does happen.

  • YaleDawgYaleDawg Posts: 7,303 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    He WAS a vitamin D expert. Now he just takes money to push unnecessary supplements, unnecessary testing, tanning beds, and protecting child abusers. Vitamin D market is worth over 1 billion dollars due in large part to Holick and he has been rewarded handsomely for it.

  • Denmen185Denmen185 Posts: 7,535 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    The only weapon that we have to significantly reduce the spread is contact tracing, testing those exposed and quarantine/isolate those infected. With results running anywhere up to 10 days behind this is impossible. The only state that reopened with enough people in place to do this was NY to the best of my knowledge. They waited until cases were low enough and staffing high enough to make this feasible. Florida is likely at least 20k infections per day which means that probably 400k people came in contact with those individuals over a 2 week period. I don't care how many Tracers you have they can't identify those people nor perform the number of tests needed especially if the tests/results are 10 days late! A total lockdown would also achieve this but is much more unpalatable to most everyone especially 2nd time around.

    I want to make it clear that masks will help but isn't the magical solution.

  • PerroGrandePerroGrande Posts: 6,272 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Yale, you certainly could be correct that he is no longer an expert on vitamin D, but his website makes a strong argument that he is still an expert. It says he has a PHD in biochemistry, his MD, and a lifetime of groundbreaking vitamin D research. It lists his positions as Professor of Medicine, Physiology and Biophysics; Director of the General Clinical Research Unit; and Director of the Bone Health Care Clinic and the Director of the Heliotherapy, Light, and Skin Research Center at Boston University Medical Center. Is Boston University Medical Center a legitimate medical operation? And does he actually hold those positions or is he lying?

  • YaleDawgYaleDawg Posts: 7,303 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I said he made some great contributions in his career and certainly deserved those positions at one point. However, he has used his position of influence and good standing in the medical field to push for things at the behest of corporations in exchange for money. He has a tenured position and it's very difficult to remove someone once they have that position. His protection of child abusers technically fell under free speech as an "expert" witness.

  • Canedawg2140Canedawg2140 Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    So...

    All this over Vitamin D, and if it helps or not...

    Or over whether numbers are right...

    Why are the same people always arguing that ___ helps, and others are always arguing that ___ doesn't help?

    Or whether somebody lied about how someone died?

    No one is willing to compromise, change, let things go, try to listen...

    Seems like erbody already has made their mind up about what they think, how this is going to go - and this forum is a perfect representation of that.

  • BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    We cant say u g l y?

    Gosh.....

  • AnotherDawgAnotherDawg Posts: 6,762 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    To your point Cane, my physician, and my handful of doctor friends, all say that if you have symptoms get tested right away, and if you test positive, take the full cocktail of treatments that have shown some degree of success based on anecdotal evidence: hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, zinc supplements, Vitamin D, etc. There is close to zero risk with taking these drugs, and there is some chance they will help.

    Why do some feel the need to shoot down those treatments just because they haven't been "proven" effective by some 10-year global study by Harvard?

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