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Now that NIL has consumed the collegiate level…

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  • KaseyKasey Posts: 29,715 mod

    “JT Daniels new NIL deal has the potential to make over seven figures.”

    right under the headline (italics mine)

  • ziggyholidayziggyholiday Posts: 492 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I get where pgjackson is coming from, but I think it's doubtful that a good number of players throughout CFB will be making anywhere close enough in NIL, that would make the cost of 3-4 years of college at a major university seem like chump change.

  • Joe31Joe31 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Daniels is the QB for GA. It’s not surprising that he can make 7 figures on an NIL deal. Sure there are other high profile players across the Nation that will do the same - hiesman candidates, dominate defenders, and many skill positions players that are really fun to watch. Daniels has stated that he is sharing half with his teammates, he probably wouldn’t consider this if most of them had even moderate deals.

    We will see over the next few years though. Hopefully the college game doesn’t morph into something unrecognizable.

  • pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 18,796 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    So why would it be such a big leap to think that a guy like him might be willing to sacrifice his scholarship to give to someone else...especially if it helps the team bring in a stud player? Moving forward pretty much every 5-star athlete will expect some sort of NIL deal. Every starting QB, WR, RB and key player on top teams will also expect deals. I don't know how many will reach 7 figures, but it will likely be many.

  • Joe31Joe31 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    A guy like Daniels certainly would give up his scholarship to help a less fortunate teammate, Im just not sure everyone would. Sure, if a five star athlete had to chose big NIL money or a scholarship the choice would definitely be NIL money. NIL will have big impacts on recruiting and it’s hard to see where that leads, I just don’t think many guys are gonna give away or give up money or a scholarship they earned.

  • pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 18,796 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited August 2021

    We are in the infancy of this NIL thing. My point is, in the future I can see teams using this to get around the 85 scholarship limit. Wouldn't you if it was legal by NCAA regulations? Every team has a compliance staff who's job it is to figure out the mountain of rules and advise the coaching staff on what they can and can't do. If a team can squeeze out an extra scholarship or two by asking million dollar NIL players (or really any scholarship player) to give up theirs, you better believe they will do that.

    I can see the pitch right now...: "listen Joe QB, Sammy Allstar is in the portal and wants to transfer in but we are full at 85 scholarships. You are doing really well with your Eddie's Hot Dogs NIL deal so we would like to take you off of scholarship so we can give it to him. Don't worry, we talked to the local car dealership and they have agreed to offer you an additional NIL deal that will cover all of your expenses so you don't have to pay out of pocket. Sound good?"

  • PerroGrandePerroGrande Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    PG, I agree there are a thousand ways to abuse it, but if somebody is going to illegally pay a player, is it easier to investigate now, or before the NIL ruling? You get the point...cheaters are gonna cheat anyway. NIL contracts and deposits should have a pretty good trail for investigators to follow. Also, if you look at the ruling, it was unanimous and the final point was that these young men have the right to compete in the marketplace--this is America! All competitive businesses have issues like this that they have to deal with and it is just one of the costs of doing business here. The sea has changed and it's time to adjust our views.

    "Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate. And under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different. The NCAA is not above the law."

  • Joe31Joe31 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I can see your point. No telling what changes NIL leads to. But yes, every good coach and staff will take advantage of any legal way to gain any advantage they can. Hopefully steps are taken to keep things from changing too much or at least too rapidly. I have no idea what those steps could be or who could implement them. I guess we have to depend on the NCAA to regulate things, which might not bode well. I could be wrong, but it has appeared recently that the NCAA isn’t quite as all powerful as it once was. My point is that people will not just give up money or their scholarship so quickly, but very smart people might get paid a lot of $ to rationalize and convince these kids to do that very thing. Who knows, I’m glad these guys can profit from NIL, they deserve to considering the revenue they help generate, but sometimes it feels like we have opened Pandora’s box!!! The college game is changing. Who knows what it looks like in two years?

  • pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 18,796 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    There was nothing illegal in my example. If a local car dealership wants to give a player $30,000 a year to cover his reassignment of scholarship, so what? That's my point. In a totally free market system, it's nobody's business how a company spends its money. There don't seem to be any rules on these NIL deals, so what is preventing local boosters from throwing money at these kids under the guise of "NIL" to keep them happy and on the team? It was illegal under the old system, but now the old bag-man is just part of the system.

    "Come to XYZ school, go to the local Mercedes dealership, sign some photos, get your free car and $50,000 per year contract. Our team accountants will take care of the tax implications. That's just for starters. Gatoraid is interested in a 7-figure contract also, so we may ask you to give up your scholarship, but don't worry, the car dealership will take care of your school expenses."

    Seriously, how is this not going to happen?

  • PerroGrandePerroGrande Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    They can do that in the pros now. That has been a criticism in the past that teams with a big population/TV base have an advantage and they can pay their players more. The rich get richer. But, at the end of the day, why is your hypothetical dealership paying the kid? Because they think he is good and they want him on the team and they are willing to pay for his potential marketing power. BTW, the marketing power of CFB players is profound, imho. Kids all over the region look up to them. If you have the marketing power, it will result in big contracts in a free market. Like I said, sea change. Adjustments are required.

  • pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 18,796 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    At the big schools, the boosters wield an almost unlimited amount of money. Think of a school like Texas. How many boosters in that state would gladly offer ANY player a free car and a bag of money if they thought the player added value to the program or if they though the player could add marketing value to their company. They were doing it already under the table without any publicity. How much more will they be willing to pony-up if they can now actually use that player in marketing? I just used the car dealership thing as an example. It could be the local beer distributor, or paper mill or tech company. There is already a basketball player with a $2M NIL deal with a web app company. Yes, the rich will get richer...especially the big market teams.

  • PerroGrandePerroGrande Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited August 2021

    NIL will figure into CFB moving forward, no doubt. That's why I keep saying sea change; it's huge. UGA better think a lot about the implications. Saban obviously understands based on his recent comments. Yes, some guys might want to go to a place where they think they will be in the spotlight winning Natty's, just like it is now, but being a star at a school with a great marketing base (and some big Mercedes dealership boosters) could be a much better move than being a bench warmer at Bama or UGA. So in this weird universe of unintended consequences, this could actually be a leveler. But, you are correct in your feeling imo--nobody knows exactly where this will lead. The one thing I'm sure of is that CFB players are going to make a lot of money as long as fans continue to love the game like they do now. I know a lot of people (myself included) who like CFB more than the NFL. They could end up getting paid comparably for NIL.

  • KaseyKasey Posts: 29,715 mod

    It’s cute none of you think this hasn’t been happening already.

  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    So, let's say they get $50k and a car, equaling roughly a $100k. The tuition, books, and housing covered by scholarship is about $20k. If you were making $50k with a free car, would you turn down $20k in scholarship/benefits and just donate it to someone lower on the totem pole in your line of work? I doubt you would pass on a 20% raise at your work if offered one and tell your company to donate it to someone else.

    Your theory only applies to the mega-NIL deals. Which will be few and far between. Maybe reserved only for the QBs of Bama, OSU, UGA and a couple of others. Also, very unlikely that 7 figure deals will be signed for a kid that hasn't even stepped foot on a college football field. Think if we paid Eason, Cox, etc. big money to sign 5 star talent. What a waste that would be, making those that fund NIL deals hesitant to sign big contracts on unproven players. Thus, they would need to be on scholarship a year or two before they make the big bucks to even think about "donating" their scholarship to someone else.

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