http://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/18/university-georgia-ta-some-white-people-may-have-d/#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s
“or in a manner that creates a hostile environment for any member of the University Community.”
Seems pretty clear
@orlando said: Hopefully Tucker Carlson catches wind of this and has this guy on his show. Would like to hear the conversation.
@orlando holy smoke! Can you just imagine how that conversation would go?
I post on these type of threads too much but cant help myself. @SoFL_Dawg hit the nail on the head if you ask me. Fire this guy hes a clown but was anyone honestly hurt by this? That's the difference between if "it were the other way around" imo
All that **** doesn't matter.it's not a fair game in America even tho this is our home just like the rest of yall.yall made the rules and just like Tom Brady yall break the rules rules rules 😂😂😂
@Jesupdawg said: @YaleDawg said: @Jesupdawg said: @YaleDawg said: @Jesupdawg said: @YaleDawg said: @Bankwalker said: @greshamdisco said: What a load of chit. Sasser wasn't doing anything related to baseball. The school expels students all the time for things they do outside of their campus life. ALL. THE. TIME. This is the difference between sasser and the TA. Sasser said the N-word at a football game which is a public, university sanctioned event with students. Another student that heard him say it reported the event to the OEO which found he violated equal opportunity rules. I believe he was dismissed from the team and not the university. The TA has yet to be reported to the OEO for something he did while teaching so he can't be investigated for violating equal opportunity rules. He made these statements in a private capacity which gives him 1st amendment protections that include hate speech. The on campus thing you are referring to was a club meeting of some sort. Clubs can rent rooms on campus but they are private events. UGA is a government organization and they have to follow the constitution. As soon as he says something like that while teaching he's gone, but firing him without that event would be illegal. That doesn’t matter, there’s been a many of female and make readers get fired for sexual misconduct at their house in their own time with a student. You can spin this any way you want but the bottoms line is, if it were the other way around and he was not a minority, he’d be gone Make readers? Yeah, you can't have sex with students you teach. That's a rule anywhere you go. Sexual misconduct as in breaking the law is also a fireable offense. Not sure how that relates to the 1st amendment. It's not spin that's just the law and rules. Sasser broke the rules and was punished. No one has shown that the TA broke the rules. You can disagree with him all you want but firing him would be illegal and a clear violation of the 1st amendment. What rule did he break? Just curious, not defending him at all and think he was wrong for saying it..... but what rule? He violated the non-discrimination and harassment policy. It affected him and not the TA because it took place during the football game which is a university activity and subject to university rules. This is from the OEO, "The University of Georgia (“the University”) is committed to maintaining a fair and respectful environment for living, work and study. To that end, and in accordance with federal and state law, University System of Georgia policy, and University policy, the University prohibits harassment of or discrimination against any person because of race, color, sex (including sexual harassment and pregnancy), sexual orientation, gender identity, ethnicity or national origin, religion, age, genetic information, disability, or veteran status by any member of the University Community (as defined below) on campus, in connection with a University program or activity, or in a manner that creates a hostile environment for any member of the University Community. Incidents of harassment and discrimination will be met with appropriate disciplinary action, up to and including dismissal or expulsion from the University." https://eoo.uga.edu/policies/non-discrimination-anti-harassment-policy So he broke this rule, yes.. but the other didn’t ? From what I read, I’d have to say yes he did @Bankwalker said: “or in a manner that creates a hostile environment for any member of the University Community.” Seems pretty clear
@Jesupdawg said:
@YaleDawg said: @Jesupdawg said: @YaleDawg said: @Jesupdawg said: @YaleDawg said: @Bankwalker said: @greshamdisco said: What a load of chit. Sasser wasn't doing anything related to baseball. The school expels students all the time for things they do outside of their campus life. ALL. THE. TIME. This is the difference between sasser and the TA. Sasser said the N-word at a football game which is a public, university sanctioned event with students. Another student that heard him say it reported the event to the OEO which found he violated equal opportunity rules. I believe he was dismissed from the team and not the university. The TA has yet to be reported to the OEO for something he did while teaching so he can't be investigated for violating equal opportunity rules. He made these statements in a private capacity which gives him 1st amendment protections that include hate speech. The on campus thing you are referring to was a club meeting of some sort. Clubs can rent rooms on campus but they are private events. UGA is a government organization and they have to follow the constitution. As soon as he says something like that while teaching he's gone, but firing him without that event would be illegal. That doesn’t matter, there’s been a many of female and make readers get fired for sexual misconduct at their house in their own time with a student. You can spin this any way you want but the bottoms line is, if it were the other way around and he was not a minority, he’d be gone Make readers? Yeah, you can't have sex with students you teach. That's a rule anywhere you go. Sexual misconduct as in breaking the law is also a fireable offense. Not sure how that relates to the 1st amendment. It's not spin that's just the law and rules. Sasser broke the rules and was punished. No one has shown that the TA broke the rules. You can disagree with him all you want but firing him would be illegal and a clear violation of the 1st amendment. What rule did he break? Just curious, not defending him at all and think he was wrong for saying it..... but what rule? He violated the non-discrimination and harassment policy. It affected him and not the TA because it took place during the football game which is a university activity and subject to university rules. This is from the OEO, "The University of Georgia (“the University”) is committed to maintaining a fair and respectful environment for living, work and study. To that end, and in accordance with federal and state law, University System of Georgia policy, and University policy, the University prohibits harassment of or discrimination against any person because of race, color, sex (including sexual harassment and pregnancy), sexual orientation, gender identity, ethnicity or national origin, religion, age, genetic information, disability, or veteran status by any member of the University Community (as defined below) on campus, in connection with a University program or activity, or in a manner that creates a hostile environment for any member of the University Community. Incidents of harassment and discrimination will be met with appropriate disciplinary action, up to and including dismissal or expulsion from the University." https://eoo.uga.edu/policies/non-discrimination-anti-harassment-policy
@YaleDawg said:
@Jesupdawg said: @YaleDawg said: @Jesupdawg said: @YaleDawg said: @Bankwalker said: @greshamdisco said: What a load of chit. Sasser wasn't doing anything related to baseball. The school expels students all the time for things they do outside of their campus life. ALL. THE. TIME. This is the difference between sasser and the TA. Sasser said the N-word at a football game which is a public, university sanctioned event with students. Another student that heard him say it reported the event to the OEO which found he violated equal opportunity rules. I believe he was dismissed from the team and not the university. The TA has yet to be reported to the OEO for something he did while teaching so he can't be investigated for violating equal opportunity rules. He made these statements in a private capacity which gives him 1st amendment protections that include hate speech. The on campus thing you are referring to was a club meeting of some sort. Clubs can rent rooms on campus but they are private events. UGA is a government organization and they have to follow the constitution. As soon as he says something like that while teaching he's gone, but firing him without that event would be illegal. That doesn’t matter, there’s been a many of female and make readers get fired for sexual misconduct at their house in their own time with a student. You can spin this any way you want but the bottoms line is, if it were the other way around and he was not a minority, he’d be gone Make readers? Yeah, you can't have sex with students you teach. That's a rule anywhere you go. Sexual misconduct as in breaking the law is also a fireable offense. Not sure how that relates to the 1st amendment. It's not spin that's just the law and rules. Sasser broke the rules and was punished. No one has shown that the TA broke the rules. You can disagree with him all you want but firing him would be illegal and a clear violation of the 1st amendment. What rule did he break? Just curious, not defending him at all and think he was wrong for saying it..... but what rule?
@YaleDawg said: @Jesupdawg said: @YaleDawg said: @Bankwalker said: @greshamdisco said: What a load of chit. Sasser wasn't doing anything related to baseball. The school expels students all the time for things they do outside of their campus life. ALL. THE. TIME. This is the difference between sasser and the TA. Sasser said the N-word at a football game which is a public, university sanctioned event with students. Another student that heard him say it reported the event to the OEO which found he violated equal opportunity rules. I believe he was dismissed from the team and not the university. The TA has yet to be reported to the OEO for something he did while teaching so he can't be investigated for violating equal opportunity rules. He made these statements in a private capacity which gives him 1st amendment protections that include hate speech. The on campus thing you are referring to was a club meeting of some sort. Clubs can rent rooms on campus but they are private events. UGA is a government organization and they have to follow the constitution. As soon as he says something like that while teaching he's gone, but firing him without that event would be illegal. That doesn’t matter, there’s been a many of female and make readers get fired for sexual misconduct at their house in their own time with a student. You can spin this any way you want but the bottoms line is, if it were the other way around and he was not a minority, he’d be gone Make readers? Yeah, you can't have sex with students you teach. That's a rule anywhere you go. Sexual misconduct as in breaking the law is also a fireable offense. Not sure how that relates to the 1st amendment. It's not spin that's just the law and rules. Sasser broke the rules and was punished. No one has shown that the TA broke the rules. You can disagree with him all you want but firing him would be illegal and a clear violation of the 1st amendment.
@Jesupdawg said: @YaleDawg said: @Bankwalker said: @greshamdisco said: What a load of chit. Sasser wasn't doing anything related to baseball. The school expels students all the time for things they do outside of their campus life. ALL. THE. TIME. This is the difference between sasser and the TA. Sasser said the N-word at a football game which is a public, university sanctioned event with students. Another student that heard him say it reported the event to the OEO which found he violated equal opportunity rules. I believe he was dismissed from the team and not the university. The TA has yet to be reported to the OEO for something he did while teaching so he can't be investigated for violating equal opportunity rules. He made these statements in a private capacity which gives him 1st amendment protections that include hate speech. The on campus thing you are referring to was a club meeting of some sort. Clubs can rent rooms on campus but they are private events. UGA is a government organization and they have to follow the constitution. As soon as he says something like that while teaching he's gone, but firing him without that event would be illegal. That doesn’t matter, there’s been a many of female and make readers get fired for sexual misconduct at their house in their own time with a student. You can spin this any way you want but the bottoms line is, if it were the other way around and he was not a minority, he’d be gone
@YaleDawg said: @Bankwalker said: @greshamdisco said: What a load of chit. Sasser wasn't doing anything related to baseball. The school expels students all the time for things they do outside of their campus life. ALL. THE. TIME. This is the difference between sasser and the TA. Sasser said the N-word at a football game which is a public, university sanctioned event with students. Another student that heard him say it reported the event to the OEO which found he violated equal opportunity rules. I believe he was dismissed from the team and not the university. The TA has yet to be reported to the OEO for something he did while teaching so he can't be investigated for violating equal opportunity rules. He made these statements in a private capacity which gives him 1st amendment protections that include hate speech. The on campus thing you are referring to was a club meeting of some sort. Clubs can rent rooms on campus but they are private events. UGA is a government organization and they have to follow the constitution. As soon as he says something like that while teaching he's gone, but firing him without that event would be illegal.
@Bankwalker said: @greshamdisco said: What a load of chit. Sasser wasn't doing anything related to baseball. The school expels students all the time for things they do outside of their campus life. ALL. THE. TIME.
@Bankwalker said:
@greshamdisco said:
What a load of chit. Sasser wasn't doing anything related to baseball. The school expels students all the time for things they do outside of their campus life. ALL. THE. TIME.
This is the difference between sasser and the TA. Sasser said the N-word at a football game which is a public, university sanctioned event with students. Another student that heard him say it reported the event to the OEO which found he violated equal opportunity rules. I believe he was dismissed from the team and not the university. The TA has yet to be reported to the OEO for something he did while teaching so he can't be investigated for violating equal opportunity rules. He made these statements in a private capacity which gives him 1st amendment protections that include hate speech. The on campus thing you are referring to was a club meeting of some sort. Clubs can rent rooms on campus but they are private events. UGA is a government organization and they have to follow the constitution. As soon as he says something like that while teaching he's gone, but firing him without that event would be illegal.
That doesn’t matter, there’s been a many of female and make readers get fired for sexual misconduct at their house in their own time with a student. You can spin this any way you want but the bottoms line is, if it were the other way around and he was not a minority, he’d be gone
Make readers? Yeah, you can't have sex with students you teach. That's a rule anywhere you go. Sexual misconduct as in breaking the law is also a fireable offense. Not sure how that relates to the 1st amendment. It's not spin that's just the law and rules. Sasser broke the rules and was punished. No one has shown that the TA broke the rules. You can disagree with him all you want but firing him would be illegal and a clear violation of the 1st amendment.
What rule did he break? Just curious, not defending him at all and think he was wrong for saying it..... but what rule?
He violated the non-discrimination and harassment policy. It affected him and not the TA because it took place during the football game which is a university activity and subject to university rules. This is from the OEO, "The University of Georgia (“the University”) is committed to maintaining a fair and respectful environment for living, work and study. To that end, and in accordance with federal and state law, University System of Georgia policy, and University policy, the University prohibits harassment of or discrimination against any person because of race, color, sex (including sexual harassment and pregnancy), sexual orientation, gender identity, ethnicity or national origin, religion, age, genetic information, disability, or veteran status by any member of the University Community (as defined below) on campus, in connection with a University program or activity, or in a manner that creates a hostile environment for any member of the University Community. Incidents of harassment and discrimination will be met with appropriate disciplinary action, up to and including dismissal or expulsion from the University."
https://eoo.uga.edu/policies/non-discrimination-anti-harassment-policy
So he broke this rule, yes.. but the other didn’t ? From what I read, I’d have to say yes he did
@Bankwalker said: “or in a manner that creates a hostile environment for any member of the University Community.”
This is likely the legal option the university is exploring, but you would have to link his private speech to creating a hostile environment on campus. That's a high bar to meet and is legally perilous because of the constitution. If he does his job properly without bias affecting how he treats students and no student files a complaint, then there is no evidence he created a hostile environment.
@Bankwalker said: “or in a manner that creates a hostile environment for any member of the University Community.” Seems pretty clear
This also probably relates more to things said between students off campus than anything else.
I guess what he said shouldnt harass “white People”.....
Heavy sarcasm.
@christopherules said: @orlando said: Hopefully Tucker Carlson catches wind of this and has this guy on his show. Would like to hear the conversation. @orlando holy smoke! Can you just imagine how that conversation would go?
@christopherules said:
With those on the left his conversations are usually one sided.
This thread, and those re to the Sasser incident, are great examples of the perception bias that exists with respect to race, racism, and claims of racism. Depending on your existing perspective....one incident is an irrelevant, meaningless, harmless anomaly, while the other is a deeply harmful expression and the confirmation of your worst instincts with respect to race.
It's sad, but until we can openly acknowledge our own biases at the outset, and judge each incident based on the actions and behavior of the individual (and not the color of his/her skin or political point-of-view), then all these discussions and analysis are essentially pointless, except to solidify our pre-existing beliefs.
@MinnesotaDawg said: This thread, and those re to the Sasser incident, are great examples of the perception bias that exists with respect to race, racism, and claims of racism. Depending on your existing perspective....one incident is an irrelevant, meaningless, harmless anomaly, while the other is a deeply harmful expression and the confirmation of your worst instincts with respect to race. It's sad, but until we can openly acknowledge our own biases at the outset, and judge each incident based on the actions and behavior of the individual (and not the color of his/her skin or political point-of-view), then all these discussions and analysis are essentially pointless, except to solidify our pre-existing beliefs.
@MinnesotaDawg said: This thread, and those re to the Sasser incident, are great examples of the perception bias that exists with respect to race, racism, and claims of racism. Depending on your existing perspective....one incident is an irrelevant, meaningless, harmless anomaly, while the other is a deeply harmful expression and the confirmation of your worst instincts with respect to race.
What you said here makes for a good sound bite but I’m not buying. Any time someone makes blatantly racist comments implying a genocide would be beneficial I’m not taking that sitting down. I guess you would call that “humanity bias” on my part.
@VaBeachDawg said: @MinnesotaDawg said: This thread, and those re to the Sasser incident, are great examples of the perception bias that exists with respect to race, racism, and claims of racism. Depending on your existing perspective....one incident is an irrelevant, meaningless, harmless anomaly, while the other is a deeply harmful expression and the confirmation of your worst instincts with respect to race. It's sad, but until we can openly acknowledge our own biases at the outset, and judge each incident based on the actions and behavior of the individual (and not the color of his/her skin or political point-of-view), then all these discussions and analysis are essentially pointless, except to solidify our pre-existing beliefs. What you said here makes for a good sound bite but I’m not buying. Any time someone makes blatantly racist comments implying a genocide would be beneficial I’m not taking that sitting down. I guess you would call that “humanity bias” on my part.
@VaBeachDawg said:
Personally, I agree with you in the case of this TA. I think he should be held accountable just the same as anyone who makes these kind of inflammatory statements. It's a kind of broad, destructive rhetoric that is used to provoke anger. Someone with a different perspective (or bias, if you will) might dismiss this TA's comments as basically "wrong" but essentially a harmless expression of free speech.....while, at the same time, taking a much more critical position against Sasser and his ilk.
@MinnesotaDawg said: @VaBeachDawg said: @MinnesotaDawg said: This thread, and those re to the Sasser incident, are great examples of the perception bias that exists with respect to race, racism, and claims of racism. Depending on your existing perspective....one incident is an irrelevant, meaningless, harmless anomaly, while the other is a deeply harmful expression and the confirmation of your worst instincts with respect to race. It's sad, but until we can openly acknowledge our own biases at the outset, and judge each incident based on the actions and behavior of the individual (and not the color of his/her skin or political point-of-view), then all these discussions and analysis are essentially pointless, except to solidify our pre-existing beliefs. What you said here makes for a good sound bite but I’m not buying. Any time someone makes blatantly racist comments implying a genocide would be beneficial I’m not taking that sitting down. I guess you would call that “humanity bias” on my part. Personally, I agree with you in the case of this TA. I think he should be held accountable just the same as anyone who makes these kind of inflammatory statements. It's a kind of broad, destructive rhetoric that is used to provoke anger. Someone with a different perspective (or bias, if you will) might dismiss this TA's comments as basically "wrong" but essentially a harmless expression of free speech.....while, at the same time, taking a much more critical position against Sasser and
@MinnesotaDawg said:
Personally, I agree with you in the case of this TA. I think he should be held accountable just the same as anyone who makes these kind of inflammatory statements. It's a kind of broad, destructive rhetoric that is used to provoke anger. Someone with a different perspective (or bias, if you will) might dismiss this TA's comments as basically "wrong" but essentially a harmless expression of free speech.....while, at the same time, taking a much more critical position against Sasser and
Well said.
Fire his a$$, treat him the same way Sasser was treated and let's move on. National signing day is rapidly approaching and I'd much rather here about who else the Dawgs are going to sign for 2019. **** I hate this shi#!
