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The only think that pisses me off is when a poster thinks he or she knows what I'm thinking or about to post...**** and read...please.
Total bases is an isolated stat, so is OBP, both are essential to scoring runs.
While total bases are tied to a player's number of at bats, they are like wins for a pitcher, they tell you the player showed up and got the work done.
OBP is completely isolated and gives you a per at bat quantity, but for the sake of the list below I'm only counting players who had a minimum of 300 at bats, if you don't show up, you don't help the team.
I'm going to list where Markakis rated in total bases, OBP and xtra base hits for The Braves in each of his 4 seasons with the team and the 2 NL teams in this year's NLCS over those seasons.
The Braves
2018
total bases - 3rd
OBP - T-2nd
xtra base hits - 2nd
2017
total bases - 3rd
OBP - T-2nd
xtra base hits - 2nd
2016
total bases - 2nd
OBP - 3rd
xtra base hits - 2nd
2015
total bases - 1st
OBP - T-1st
xtra base hits - 2nd
The Brewers
2018
total bases - 2nd
OBP - 3rd
2017
total bases - 4th
OBP - 3rd
2016
total bases - 4th
OBP - 4th
2015
total bases - 3rd
OBP - 1st
Dodgers
2018
total bases - 1st
OBP - 3rd
2017
total bases - 5th
OBP - T-3rd
2016
total bases - 4th
OBP - 4th
2015
total bases - 2nd
OBP - 2nd
So where is this league where Markakis's 4 year performance in these basic and essential run production producing areas not good ?
You don't fall ass backwards into a player who averages out as your 2nd most productive hitter over 4 seasons.
Except for his back that required surgery. He has been healthy for a couple of years in a row now, so that is becoming less of a concern for me....still a
Nobody really cares about pitcher wins, at least not people who understand the relevance of pitcher wins to pitcher performance. And you're the only person I have ever seen reference total bases. It isn't even a stat you can look up, you have to manually calculate it
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So yeah total bases are going to be positively correlated with games played or at bats. Sure nick gets kudos for being healthy, and that matters. He played literally every game this year so aggregate stats are going to be skewed in his favor. Cody Bellinger also played all 162 but had 70 less at bats.
As an example this total bases stat would say Neck is a better hitter than Jesus Aguilar of the Brewers which I am sure even you wouldn't agree with (he has a whole 0.1 better slugging percentage). Aguilar was healthy all season as far as I know, he just took some games off. And the games he took off you can conservatively assume replacement level people replaced him and that position would have had more total bases. It isn't like if neck doesn't play we put a scarecrow out there.
Also if nicks on the dodgers he doesn’t play all 162 games! Last year he would probably not have even been able to crack their roster, teams that are rebuilding are much more willing to give away at bats though. Teams usually rest their guys and take advantage of depth and splits. It isn't a fair comparison. Like saying Elijah Holyfield doesn't have near the rushing yards of Travyeon Williams, so obviously Travyeon is a better rusher.
I like nick but seriously he’s not a top tier hitter man. If you haven't bee convinced yet you probably never will be though, in which case I don't really care to hash it out anymore.
And sorry if I was a bit of an ass, it’s been a long rough day
If you had a team of nicks would the Braves have scored more run this year? He drove in a lot of runs, scored a lot of runs and hit well with 2 strikes.
Yeah the analytics would say so
I never said he's a top tier hitter. My case is we're likely considerably better with him in 2019 and 2020 than without him.
Of course price will be a consideration Liberty Media holding the purse strings.
Oh maybe I misinterpreted your position. I agree they’re better with him than with Preston tucker but I’d still rather them get a big time corner outfielder if it’s out there.
Nick will be really cheap, if they don’t bring him back it won’t be because of money
Are you kidding ? Total bases is listed on any basic profile of every player who ever played MLB.
Hank Aaron has 11.8% more career total bases than anybody else in history, it's one of my favorite stats. You must have that stat mixed up with something else.
Also Markakis would have been The Dodgers 3rd or 4th best hitter in 2017.
He would have been their tenth best hitter with over 120 ab and worst defender on their team at their position. If you are defending kakes 2017 as being good idk what to say
what about in 2018?
I say the braves try and sign two guys. AJ Pollack and Yasmani Grandal. Pollack should be able to be picked up for cheap with his injury history and Grandal would be a major upgrade at catcher. If you can get nick for less than the 11 mill we paid last year then good. Sign all 3 so we have a reliable 4th outfielder.
@donm This surprised me when I looked at it. First of all, Max Muncy killed it this year and I didn’t realize exactly how good he was. As for The Neck he again would have been the tenth best hitter with over 200 at bats on the Dodgers in 2018, counting Machado. This is per WRC+ which is basically “runs created per at bat”.
For @WCDawg I also checked total bases. In terms of total bases per at bat, or slugging percentage, he would be 11th on the dodgers in 2018. In terms of total bases over the total year he would have been 1st on the dodgers. Do you think the dodgers would have let him get 700 at bats?
He would have been the third worst defender on their team, due to Matt kemp being a bloated whale in the outfield and apparently yasiel puig is bad out there as well. He would have been the third worst base runner as well.
But since the dodgers are always an especially deep team I looked at the brewers as well. Nick would have been their 5th best hitter overall and 7th best slugging percentage of guy with over 200 ab.
Nick was probably a bit better than kemp this year, so I do feel like if we magically put him on the dodgers he would have kept a roster spot and potentially a starting spot on their team this year. He would likely not have started for the brewers, who had yelich Cain and Braun out there all being better than him (this doesn’t mean he is unworthy of starting for the brewers, just that they wouldn’t have had a spot for him).
Sure, it’s great he can play all 162 games and is durable. But if he is durable and bad it doesn’t matter. If we are giving 700 plate appearances to a below average player, the Braves are losers in that scenario.
I think you're way off...WAY OFF.
Suzuki has pretty good numbers, but not doubt having more overall production.
I'd pass on AJ Pollack though. I want OBPs around the.350 level or higher. My baseline would be around .350 OBP 30+ doubles and 20 HR to add a player for his bat.
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=200&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=22&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=16,d
Nicks WRC+ was 114 this year. Compare that against the Dodgers roster. He had a really good first half but his second half was so bad he turned out to be only pretty good on aggregate. Maybe that's what is fooling you
He had a great first half. Both he and Freddie tailed off at the end of the season. Too many games = fatigue?
Nothing is ''fooling'' me. some advanced stats are good, others less so.
Again, baseball is a game of 4 bases and 27 outs in 9 increments of 3, it ain't rocket science. It's also a game of limited roster space, when you get 600 plus at bats from a single player, that is a huge plus. We recognize this with starting pitchers,but we often overlook it with position players. That is why I only looked at players with 300 or more at bats, which is still too low for an apples to apples comparison. If we had 5 position players with similar qualitative stats as Markakis has averaged over his 4 seasons in Atlanta to go with 3 star players and a good bench, we'd have as good a lineup as anybody. That is how I look at it. We have Acuna, Freeman, Albies, Camargo, Markakis and Inciarte who I think are pluses as starting position players, that leaves 2 spots we'd need to upgrade.
Definitely super interested in Grandal. I’ve heard rumblings that the Braves Front Office is too, would be a huge upgrade for us. He hits well and is the best pitch framer in the game.
As for pollack, he is a good player even though he has big injury issues and is 31. I have a feeling he will still get like a 4 year 60M contract from somebody.
@donm I would think so. Everybody should probably get some days off in the dog days or else it’s bound to adversely effect your performance.
We definitely need some quality depth in the outfield.
Swanson is frustrating, he is smart, but you wouldn't know it watching him hit. If he finally came around and became a plus hitter, we'd only need a front line catcher if we keep everybody else.
If we don't keep Markakis, we'll really have work to do on the outfield.