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COVID-19 Check-in 2.0
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@dirtypants I'm not sure you were commenting on my message or just quoting it to make a post, but I'm a risk/reward kind of guy. There probably isn't a huge benefit in wearing a mask, but what is the risk? Anything that helps, even a little bit, is probably worth it if it doesn't risk/cost much. I've been wearing a mask for months when I'm out.
The next question is who funds these private labs? Seems to me they are trying to play dumb about not knowing they weren’t following protocol, which is pretty hard to believe. Follow the money.
Yale, one more thought related to my post above. A lot of folks aren't familiar with D levels. There is even disagreement in the medical world as to adequacy. There are a lot of doctors and scientists, who are vitamin D experts, who advocate much higher levels (say 40-80 ng/ml). But, many doctors are happy with the Endocrine Society's recommendations (below 20 - deficient; 21-29 - insufficient; 30 or above - adequate; all ng/ml). Older doctors might be happy at an even lower level. A lot of the research driving the changes is relatively new.
A great deal of research has been done on D levels in the population. I read one study I found interesting. They went to Africa and tested an entire tribe of traditional hunters to find out what their D level was--they were trying to establish what level was "natural" based on no supplementation and a traditional outdoor lifestyle. I'm going from memory, but I believe the average D level was 44 ng/ml. They have also tested lifeguards and found even higher levels, I believe into the 60s. The point being that a high level might be a lot more traditional than a lot of people realize.
The groups that are at high risk (obese, shut-ins/nursing home residents, older people, people with dark skin) have all been independently studied and identified as having very low vitamin D levels. I would note that African Americans have been studied extensively and their D levels in America and Europe tend to be very, very low. It could all be insignificant, as you posited, but I would argue that it needs to be studied intensely. BTW, I looked through the ongoing clinical trials on D and Covid 19 and of the 17 studies I looked at I didn't like the structure of even one of them. I'm amazed we can't do better. I wouldn't recommend the DIY approach outside of getting a nice tan without getting burned, but I would definitely discuss it with a knowledgeable doctor. If your doc won't discuss it, find a new doc. This is particularly important for people in the high risk groups I mentioned.
A worthy topic to post, thank you, because I can relate. I found out this week a co-worker of mine who had been furloughed passed away last month. Our company was very vague at the cause only to say “unexpected”. From Personally knowing this guy for years, he was an alcoholic at best and often depressed, even before all this COVID stuff. Unfortunately, I’ve had enough friends die from self inflicted deaths to recognize the language used. Same vague language in the obituary I was able to find. I Haven’t confirmed cause of death yet and probably won’t be able to, but it is absolutely tragic to think that had he kept his job he might still have his life. He was 36, married, no kids.
I totally agree. My wife works in a local hospital here in FL they are tagging a lot of deaths to COVID no matter the cause as long as they test positive. None of the Doctors she deals with are "scared" either. The directive is to test positive patients multiple times until a negative result is achieved. But each positive test is listed as a new positive. Some how the hospital receives financial incentives for COVID deaths and positive cases. My brother goes to the Mayo clinic in Jacksonville on a regular basis due to a bout with cancer. He asked the Doctors there if they were scared and they told him that it is being blown way out of proportion and told him to just wash his hands and use good judgement.
Wait a tick: using hydroxychloroquine as a treatment would require a double blind test study, yet they've rushed a vaccine and are already administering it to humans within 5 months?!?! Come on, people.
Good observation. And again....follow the money.
The vaccine is still going through clinical trials. The process has just been sped up.
The process couldn’t be sped up for hydroxychloroquine as well? Why yes, yes it could.
prelim report on the 45 patients who received the Moderna vaccine.
Folks got 2 injections one month apart and 3 different doses were tested with the higher 2 doses creating antibodies at similar levels to individuals who actually had the virus. Only one person dropped out due to hives.
a good start
You're moving goalposts, but I can still answer the question.
Have RCTs been performed with HCQ? Yes, yes they have.
Did they show any benefit for patients? No, no they didn't.
Good for Walmart. They have mandated masks in all their stores including Sams Club nationwide. If others in the private sector follow suit we may see some relief in 4-6 weeks.
Florida today - 50710 Tests, 10181 Cases (20.1%), 453 hospitalizations (new record) and 112 deaths.
@Bankwalker Cases 2,738 (27.2%) over 55.
Sorry if you've already posted this and I missed it, but how does this stack up w/ Florida's 7 day average on positivity rate?