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I did not suggest otherwise but am glad that you saw humor in what you thought you read.
It's safe to say you've missed my point but have certainly shown where your opinion lies.
This discussion has certainly turned in the direction I never intended and I'm confident you never intended.
Our political beliefs are obviously extremely far apart. Very little of what I say makes sense to you...and I honestly can't imagine where you are coming up with some of the things you are saying.
That's OK. I'll respect that and just come to the conclusion that it's best that you and I not discuss politics.
And this covid 19 issue is very political.
But out of respect to you and my desire to have great football discussions with you in the future.. I'll respectfully bow out.
As always I pray that you and your family stay safe and that your region of the country gets through this as quickly as possible.
Same to you. I hope we all come out ok
You said, " The difference between the 2 parties is who benefits from the wealth being created;"
I'm saying both parties scratch the backs of the rich and powerful. Sure one claims to be for the poor and the other claims to be for the middle class. If you believe any of that rhetoric then yes, I do find that humorous.
People pushing for things like a government run single payor healthcare, the nationalization of different industries, etc. I just don't trust or want the government to control that many aspects of daily life. The role of government should be to intervene as little as possible and leave as much of the day to day up to individual citizens as possible. Those are principles the country was founded upon. For example, there had to be an amendment just to make federal income tax legal. We've gotten further and further away from those principles. I fear, to our detriment.
I am guessing that you haven't experienced a single payer healthcare system. All other major countries have it. Treatment is based on need, not the ability to pay and all those systems are in countries with 50% of the cost of the US and a longer life expectancy. That benefits everyone especially in times like this.
to me the main passing of this is by coughing and sneezing. If you do this then you are symptomatic. How do you causally spread the virus if you don't have the symptoms? Seems to me you would have to touch something that the person licked recently or drank out of so wash your hands and if you drink after someone it is not a casual spread. I hea on the news how an asymptomatic person could walk past me and infect me. How?
Breathing (especially talking) is a major method of transferring the virus as droplets/aerosol is contained in the breath. Interestingly Northumbria University in northern England is trying to develop a test based on breath capture. Doubt they will succeed but that would be a real game changer if a Breathalyzer were to be available with instant read-out. To be able to test all (customer facing) employees/customers would restore consumer confidence that any business needs to return to pre-virus levels of business.
I lived in England for a couple of years. Their healthcare was nothing to write home about. A family friend needed hernia surgery and was put on the waiting list. 18 months later he was still advised to push the bulge back in and wrap it until it was his turn. The wealthy in England mostly paid for private healthcare because the public care was a joke.
Let’s try to keep it to covid check ins fellas. Healthcare debates aren’t really suitable. Thanks
Sorry, not the time or place.
Not the place for this debate exactly but the quality of care often suffers significantly under single payor systems. Saying 50% cheaper is also misleading and not a true apples to apples comparison. For example, several other countries exclude infant mortality in their life expectancy numbers. The US usually does not.
Can you give one example of an industry where there are both government and private options and the government option is cheaper AND higher quality?
My inside info is limited in terms of predicting the effectiveness of specific drugs/vaccines in development, but I can speak confidently that the best case realistic timeline for a vaccine to be approved and production/distribution scaled up to administer to large segments of the population (ie- you or your family can go your physician's office or local pharmacy and get the vaccine the way we do flu shots) is Q4'21/Q1'22.
There are still no easy answers to the general question "how soon is too soon to open up the economy?" but I think most would agree we cannot maintain the current state through 2021.
Many here have accurately observed that media outlets from both ends of the spectrum look to weave their agenda into their reporting. I'll also acknowledge that there's no doubt that POTUS is a polarizing figure but love him or detest him, we should all be universally hoping that therapeutic options to help people prevent the progression of COVID-19 in patients to the severe/critical phase are identified, approved and made widely available as soon as is safe/possible to do so. This will become particularly critical given the long lead time for a vaccine to prevent future infections and the fact that there will almost certainly be another wave of infections/deaths between now and 2022 featuring a variant(s) of the known iterations of COVID-19.
Not "liking" this - but thinking of our friends in TX, ND, OK, AK, etc. as current oil prices are not sustainable for those economies.
Negative value probably isn't a good thing
Yes - I apologize if my attempt at levity was of bad taste. My intention was to point out ANOTHER thing that no one thought they would ever see...
Now, if anyone wants to talk about our (ridiculous) dependence on oil for energy, I will find myself on a foreign side of the aisle for that one...
But I don't wish the job loss and hardship coming with this crash on anyone, anywhere. Sorry, Tex, if I made light of the hardship there.
My sincere apologies for all that I reprimanded, warned and even sanctioned regarding rules that @JeffSentell put in place for this board;
Seeing that I was only trying to help with going by the guidelines, it was of no use. Although I disagree with those who continue not to abide with the board rules and those who let it continue, I will step away from any further discussion in this thread.
Prayers sent to all of DawgNation and their families.
Alls good. You certainly didn't offend me.
This thread has really just given me a hopeless feeling in this battle. Especially today.
There are just two distinctive and polar opposite view points......and it's like that in leadership as well.
So many on here......I'm guilty.....really think they know what they are talking about and what is best for this country.
Although it's been somewhat civil.....the turn in the discussion makes me realize what we are really up against.
While the ideology argument is happening on here, on CNN, on Fox and in congress.......thousands are dying and millions are going broke.
And some on here have the balls to suggest which one is worse. It's obvious to some that continuing a shut down is what we have to continue doing. It's obvious to others that the country has to get back to work. It seems to me that a hardline approach..... either way.....will destroy us
This problem is bigger than me.....bigger than liberals.....bigger than conservatives .......bigger than Trump....bigger than Pelosi and certainly bigger than someone on here thinking they know what health care system works best for us.
We are the United States of America......we aren't South Korea, Germany other European countries, Canada and certainly are not Great Britian.... for obvious reasons.
We are an enormous and hugely populated country with diverse backgrounds, different races and different religions. What works in tiny little pockets of the world isn't going to work for us
I'm tired of the blaming and know it all solutions......from Dawgnation, TV media, Congress and the White house.
I'm not offended by people's opinions......I'll always do my best do respect them.
But the next person that comes on here acting like they really know what's best for this country to help get us out of this mess......you'll just prove one thing to me.....your ignorant.
Sorry for the rant......this virus sucks and most of our opinions **** to!!!!!!! Including mine.
Alls good @ghostofuga1 this thread has been going so long that it's probably best to leave alone.
But I get it now......no place on Dawgnation for this type of discussion. Hopefully in the future it's stopped before it gets out of hand.
I'm disappointed I played such a role in the discussion.
I honestly wish I didn't know where so many Dawg fans stood politically.
But Dawg fans are my friends and I'll just look forward to finally talking football again.
I understand the debate about shut down vs open up. Clearly the country/world can't function with everyone "sheltering in place". On the other hand, I get the other side. That the only way to get rid of this **** is to deprive it of "hosts". I have no idea which is the right road to follow. The good (?) news is that, with states beginning to open up, we'll probably find out soon.