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California is the proof that opening early didn’t matter.
That was actually sort of what I was alluding to this afternoon. They were praised for their quickly locking down, were one of the strictest states in the US with the lockdown, didn't see many cases in the spring, and it was thought that maybe they actually somehow had immunity and didn't know it given where they're at.
They loosened for about a month, and boom, they're getting hammered with cases. Now don't get me wrong, I won't be sarcastic here, it's very concerning that they might be quickly heading down Italy/NYC way, but their strict lockdown postponed instead of cancelled it most likely.
There has been some non-compliance I'm sure, but given the views of that state (this is not meant to take it that way), I have to think that this is people being diligent and taking precautions...and it winding up not mattering.
Heck, Freddie is an example of the above. He apparently barely left his house for months and still got the virus.
I certainly hope we do not live in a country where the Federal Govt has the power to restrict the population in the manner you suggest. States Rights are essential.
We do; however, live in a country where anyone who wishes to see restrictions of this mature can readily implement any such restrictions on themselves. Anyone who believes staying home prevents people from getting sick should stay home.
In the City of Atlanta, there have been about the same number of murders as covid deaths under the age of 50 since July 1st.
Good read on why California is seeing more cases
My belief is that this is now all inevitable. We have been told the truth one time, and that was when we shut down the first time and were told we could only slow the number of infections, not prevent them.
I’m tired of the bar being moved.
Sounds like the same issues just about every state has faced, outside of the border crossings. In which the link in that story says it’s been 500 border cases in 5 weeks. I don’t think the border crossings are moving the needle much when there’s been around 200k cases in CA during the same timeframe.
Some here just can't help themselves.
I'm tired of the bar being moved......but more tired of the bar being closed.
Come here then. All the bars are open. Oh wait. No airline willing to fly in or out. Wonder why that is?
I can take a boat.
Either way, you’re still talking about a very significant percentage of NYC already having exposure. That, plus the evidence on helper T cell “immunity”, and 1/4 of the population with no effects(<17), yields a a situation with a somewhat plausible explanation for the low pos test rate. This was not a policy victory. Cuomo himself said 60% (240k+} of the infections in NY occurred during quarantine.
@dawgnms Let me first acknowledge a 4% national known case fatality rate. That said, No serious epidemiologist is using that CFR in current models. Every single dynamic factor has changed since the early carnage.
Not a one off example
As a side note, our home was broken in to this weekend Fortunately, the only things I have noticed missing were a loaf of bread and a pack of hamburger buns
Yeah, but...
Given that this is a University of Georgia message board, reading this article I couldn’t help but reminisce about the final days of the Richt regime, when there was always a laundry list of legitimate excuses regarding why he wasn’t the problem.
Bamkwalker, that is bollucks, but PerroGrande wont eve see your veiled jabs at every conservatives favorite punching bag state but will go on complaining about how unfair the moderators are.
California averted the massive early case increase that New York had despite over 8000 Chinese citizens and 75000 Americans who had been to Wuhan coming in to California after the so called travel ban. That California didnt experience a New York, Florida or Arizona surge is pretty darn good given the import of the virus here so many repeated times from cruise ships and China.
The lockdown worked. California cases were low.
But what this virus has taught us is if you let your guard down, the virus will take advantage and come roaring back. Moreso than California opening too fast, the laws were not followed, especially in southern California. There was no consistency and little enforcement and the virus finds the path of least resistance, which young folks going to beaches and such gave to the virus. Now its going crazy in our prison populations and others in dense living situations.
I have a question for this thread. As most of you know, i take addressing Covid19 pretty seriously and also believe in opening up and helping our economy.
I dont understand the value in terms of Covid19, of playing only teams in your conference. I can see arguments for playing or not playing a game at all (depending on fans wearing masks, players getting tested, etc). But i dont see any benefit to playing a conference only schedule. Its not like the ACC or SEC has more or less challenges with Covid19. Are there any valid safety measures achieved by only playing conference foes?
Safety of the schools reserve funds
I was about to respond to this.....until I read @Kasey .
Never thought of that.
When a school is guaranteeing University xyz $900,000 to play them......but there is no gate money......it's difficult to justify.
And how can a school decide to go ahead and play Notre Dame but cancel Midd Tennessee State. It really can't.
Good call Kasey.
Here is an article from 247 that outlines a few reasons why the conference only schedule helps. It's mainly about consistent testing and safety standards, scheduling flexibility, and preserving conference championship games.
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Why-conference-only-schedules-will-save-college-football-amid-COVID-19-pandemic-in-2020-149058765/#149058765_1
Did you DV my comment?
Now you also bring politics in to the discussion.
That’s two strikes against the rules of this thread.
The lockdown may have “worked”, but the reality is that California only delayed the inevitable.
It is extremely misleading to look at the raw Deaths/Cases to draw a conclusion on fatality rate of the virus. For Florida these raw numbers to date are 4,277 Deaths and 282,435 Cases giving a rate of 1.5%. However even using only a 20 day lag between case to deaths the rate is very different, The deaths so far are obviously still 4,277 but the "related' cases becomes 103,503 (total at June 23rd) giving a rate of 4.1%. Another way to look at it would be that at the rate so far there are approximately 7,500 Floridians that already have tested positive will die over the next 20 days. I do believe that the improvement in testing and treatment since April will reduce this number but still be around 4,500. The July prediction on deaths is 4,631 (currently 772) assuming that the hospitals do not get overwhelmed.
Disclaimer: These numbers could be higher depending on the number of positives behind due to the delay in processing tests.