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Who else is ready to see Nauta live up to his potential?

cusedawg

If he buys into the blocking schemes, he will see a lot more playing time in '18. My guess, and hope, is that when he does start blocking, he will not be taken off the field very often and become a true star on this team. He certainly has the talent for it! Seriously, what linebacker is going to cover this guy? His upside is nearly limitless!

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WCDawg

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@donm said:

@Kasey said:
Gronk is who Gronk is bc he loves and is good at blocking. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be on the Pats, he'd be like Kellen Winslow.

I think this obsession with throwing to the TEs is a product of fantasy football. I don't understand why people on here can't see that with a freshman QB and an inexperienced line and a team that wanted to establish the run the TEs were going to be needed to block. Also in the SEC, the DLs are much tougher and will call for TEs to hang in and block.

Can we all just wait until the 2018 season and see what happens? The line will be established and so will the QB. I'm guessing we see Nauta and Charlie getting in on the pass-catching action much more. But I'm sure even if they do it won't be enough for some people and they will start calling for Chaney's head and whining about how they only had one TD in the game instead of three

agree. But being like Kellen Winslow isn't all that bad, is it? Are you talking about KW senior or junior? Senior could catch and block quite well. I guess you are referring to Junior. I think his short career was due more to head problems than anything else.

Show me a TE who has been drafted in the early rounds who wasn't either very productive as a receiver in college or a freak like OJ Howard who was drafted almost entirely on potential as a pass catcher.
I get this, you're always going to get strong push back from fans on a site dedicated to a team if you have any opinion that can be perceived as not 100% selling the program.
Bottom line, Nauta and Luke Ford need to catch the ball to train and display their ability or coming to UGA will be costly.

I don't think the size of a player's NFL bonus/signing salary is first and foremost in the minds of the coaching staff. So far, it doesn't seem to have hurt us in recruiting tight ends or any other position, for that matter.

You're only interested in selling the program, that is not conducive to having an honest conversation.
This is not about any other position, I've made it clear I consider our program as a great choice for every other position we recruit.
If Ford thought this season would be typical of how our TEs will be used going forward I doubt we would have been able to sign him. If he was convinced he'd be used in a manner beneficial to his future then we have an obligation beyond just how he can benefit the program. We have an obligation to give him the proper training and IF he does the work and is qualified, get him the game enough in games to both train him and showcase his ability.

The way our TEs were used this season would likely lead to none even getting drafted, that's not fair to them in my opinion.

chattanoogadawg

@WCDawg said:
The way our TEs were used this season would likely lead to none even getting drafted, that's not fair to them in my opinion.

Did you project Terry to have a choice between the NFL and staying in school prior to the season? No, no one did. It’s too early to proclaim “We don’t use the tight end” just because you don’t think they have enough targets. Let them develop

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donm

@WCDawg said:

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@donm said:

@Kasey said:
Gronk is who Gronk is bc he loves and is good at blocking. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be on the Pats, he'd be like Kellen Winslow.

I think this obsession with throwing to the TEs is a product of fantasy football. I don't understand why people on here can't see that with a freshman QB and an inexperienced line and a team that wanted to establish the run the TEs were going to be needed to block. Also in the SEC, the DLs are much tougher and will call for TEs to hang in and block.

Can we all just wait until the 2018 season and see what happens? The line will be established and so will the QB. I'm guessing we see Nauta and Charlie getting in on the pass-catching action much more. But I'm sure even if they do it won't be enough for some people and they will start calling for Chaney's head and whining about how they only had one TD in the game instead of three

agree. But being like Kellen Winslow isn't all that bad, is it? Are you talking about KW senior or junior? Senior could catch and block quite well. I guess you are referring to Junior. I think his short career was due more to head problems than anything else.

Show me a TE who has been drafted in the early rounds who wasn't either very productive as a receiver in college or a freak like OJ Howard who was drafted almost entirely on potential as a pass catcher.
I get this, you're always going to get strong push back from fans on a site dedicated to a team if you have any opinion that can be perceived as not 100% selling the program.
Bottom line, Nauta and Luke Ford need to catch the ball to train and display their ability or coming to UGA will be costly.

I don't think the size of a player's NFL bonus/signing salary is first and foremost in the minds of the coaching staff. So far, it doesn't seem to have hurt us in recruiting tight ends or any other position, for that matter.

You're only interested in selling the program, that is not conducive to having an honest conversation.
This is not about any other position, I've made it clear I consider our program as a great choice for every other position we recruit.
If Ford thought this season would be typical of how our TEs will be used going forward I doubt we would have been able to sign him. If he was convinced he'd be used in a manner beneficial to his future then we have an obligation beyond just how he can benefit the program. We have an obligation to give him the proper training and IF he does the work and is qualified, get him the game enough in games to both train him and showcase his ability.

The way our TEs were used this season would likely lead to none even getting drafted, that's not fair to them in my opinion.

I get your point. Again, I'll agree to disagree on this point.

WCDawg

@chattanoogadawg said:

@WCDawg said:
The way our TEs were used this season would likely lead to none even getting drafted, that's not fair to them in my opinion.

Did you project Terry to have a choice between the NFL and staying in school prior to the season? No, no one did. It’s too early to proclaim “We don’t use the tight end” just because you don’t think they have enough targets. Let them develop

Nauta had far more yardage as a true freshman than he did this year.
I didn't start this thread you know, I never said the TEs wouldn't be targeted more either.
I did state my firm opinion that a TE who is interested in playing pro ball needs in an offense that gets the ball to him, which was not the case this season.
It's up to our coaches, they can include them more if they make the effort.

WCDawg

@Pigeons said:

@CoachRob16 said:
Plenty of times all they had to do is run the TE's down the seam and they would have walked into the end zone, but unfortunately Chaney hasn't a clue how to use TE's.

Translation: All we had to do was ask our true freshman QB to make one of the most dangerous and difficult passes there is and Nauta would have walked into the end zone.

TEs are considered safety valves for inexperienced QBs.
The idea they are tougher to target than 5'10'' WRs seems a tad off.

chattanoogadawg

@WCDawg said:
Nauta had far more yardage as a true freshman than he did this year.
I didn't start this thread you know, I never said the TEs wouldn't be targeted more either.
I did state my firm opinion that a TE who is interested in playing pro ball needs in an offense that gets the ball to him, which was not the case this season.
It's up to our coaches, they can include them more if they make the effort.

I agree with wanting to involve the position more.

Let's call it a day (or 2) on this one - for everyone's sake haha.

WCDawg

@chattanoogadawg said:

@WCDawg said:
Nauta had far more yardage as a true freshman than he did this year.
I didn't start this thread you know, I never said the TEs wouldn't be targeted more either.
I did state my firm opinion that a TE who is interested in playing pro ball needs in an offense that gets the ball to him, which was not the case this season.
It's up to our coaches, they can include them more if they make the effort.

I agree with wanting to involve the position more.

Let's call it a day (or 2) on this one - for everyone's sake haha.

On the other hand, it's not like much is popping in other threads this afternoon.
I'll just answer posts as they come in.

CoachRob16

@Pigeons said:

@CoachRob16 said:
Plenty of times all they had to do is run the TE's down the seam and they would have walked into the end zone, but unfortunately Chaney hasn't a clue how to use TE's.

Translation: All we had to do was ask our true freshman QB to make one of the most dangerous and difficult passes there is and Nauta would have walked into the end zone.

Really not that difficult when you run the ball like we do. LB's play closer to the line and it creates a natural lane to throw in.

JoelSidneyKelly

@WCDawg said:
why would a kid with NFL dreams come to UGA as a TE ?

Because Georgia is, bar none, the best place in the universe to spend your college years. Some things in life are more important than NFL contracts.

WCDawg

@JoelSidneyKelly said:

@WCDawg said:
why would a kid with NFL dreams come to UGA as a TE ?

Because Georgia is, bar none, the best place in the universe to spend your college years. Some things in life are more important than NFL contracts.

Sorry, but that is naive.
No parent or mentor should tell a young man that.
One good NFL contract would be enough to change lives, not just the player's life but his wife and children's lives for the better.

This notion of pretending football football players are somehow a breed apart bothers me. We all have the same priorities in life. Where we spend our college years is important, but not nearly as important as what comes next.

Teddy

Since we can’t target the TEs more until next fall, let’s take a wait and see approach... If you said Eason would go out game one, and a freshman came in to lead us to the NC no one would’ve believed you in September.

You know we have good problems when all a few folks can do is whine about TEs not seeing enough targets. Last offseason it was offensive line, receivers, QB development, defense going from good to great, coaches taking the next step in year 2, etc. So, if we’re down to mainly TE targets then I’ll take that. I guarantee there’s a plan to get TEs more involved, and that’ll require them getting open. As I referenced above, they weren’t open. Feel free to go watch the game replays to see how “open” our TEs were. Chaney proved 2 seasons ago he’s capable of targeting them more, and that was primarily with a true freshman TE. Two years in a row of freshmen QBs doesn’t usually provide the most perfectly balanced offenses. Luckily our recruits see that, and aren’t as shortsighted as some posters on here.

WCDawg

@Teddy said:
Since we can’t target the TEs more until next fall, let’s take a wait and see approach... If you said Eason would go out game one, and a freshman came in to lead us to the NC no one would’ve believed you in September.

You know we have good problems when all a few folks can do is whine about TEs not seeing enough targets. Last offseason it was offensive line, receivers, QB development, defense going from good to great, coaches taking the next step in year 2, etc. So, if we’re down to mainly TE targets then I’ll take that. I guarantee there’s a plan to get TEs more involved, and that’ll require them getting open. As I referenced above, they weren’t open. Feel free to go watch the game replays to see how “open” our TEs were. Chaney proved 2 seasons ago he’s capable of targeting them more, and that was primarily with a true freshman TE. Two years in a row of freshmen QBs doesn’t usually provide the most perfectly balanced offenses. Luckily our recruits see that, and aren’t as shortsighted as some posters on here.

I see your point.
From now on we'll just giggle about how good life is and braid each other's hair.

oldon42

@WCDawg said:

@donm said:

@Kasey said:
Gronk is who Gronk is bc he loves and is good at blocking. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be on the Pats, he'd be like Kellen Winslow.

I think this obsession with throwing to the TEs is a product of fantasy football. I don't understand why people on here can't see that with a freshman QB and an inexperienced line and a team that wanted to establish the run the TEs were going to be needed to block. Also in the SEC, the DLs are much tougher and will call for TEs to hang in and block.

Can we all just wait until the 2018 season and see what happens? The line will be established and so will the QB. I'm guessing we see Nauta and Charlie getting in on the pass-catching action much more. But I'm sure even if they do it won't be enough for some people and they will start calling for Chaney's head and whining about how they only had one TD in the game instead of three

agree. But being like Kellen Winslow isn't all that bad, is it? Are you talking about KW senior or junior? Senior could catch and block quite well. I guess you are referring to Junior. I think his short career was due more to head problems than anything else.

Show me a TE who has been drafted in the early rounds who wasn't either very productive as a receiver in college or a freak like OJ Howard who was drafted almost entirely on potential as a pass catcher.
I get this, you're always going to get strong push back from fans on a site dedicated to a team if you have any opinion that can be perceived as not 100% selling the program.
Bottom line, Nauta and Luke Ford need to catch the ball to train and display their ability or coming to UGA will be costly.

I understand what you are saying about tight ends but it also true of wide receivers and running backs. Every pass thrown to a tight end is a pass not thrown to a wide receiver or a running play not handed off to a running back. As good as Nauta is you are not likely to convence me that he and Woerner are better tight ends than Chubb, Michel and Swift were as running backs. There is also the thought that if you throw a pass four things can happen and only one of them is good.

WCDawg

@oldon42 said:

@WCDawg said:

@donm said:

@Kasey said:
Gronk is who Gronk is bc he loves and is good at blocking. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be on the Pats, he'd be like Kellen Winslow.

I think this obsession with throwing to the TEs is a product of fantasy football. I don't understand why people on here can't see that with a freshman QB and an inexperienced line and a team that wanted to establish the run the TEs were going to be needed to block. Also in the SEC, the DLs are much tougher and will call for TEs to hang in and block.

Can we all just wait until the 2018 season and see what happens? The line will be established and so will the QB. I'm guessing we see Nauta and Charlie getting in on the pass-catching action much more. But I'm sure even if they do it won't be enough for some people and they will start calling for Chaney's head and whining about how they only had one TD in the game instead of three

agree. But being like Kellen Winslow isn't all that bad, is it? Are you talking about KW senior or junior? Senior could catch and block quite well. I guess you are referring to Junior. I think his short career was due more to head problems than anything else.

Show me a TE who has been drafted in the early rounds who wasn't either very productive as a receiver in college or a freak like OJ Howard who was drafted almost entirely on potential as a pass catcher.
I get this, you're always going to get strong push back from fans on a site dedicated to a team if you have any opinion that can be perceived as not 100% selling the program.
Bottom line, Nauta and Luke Ford need to catch the ball to train and display their ability or coming to UGA will be costly.

I understand what you are saying about tight ends but it also true of wide receivers and running backs. Every pass thrown to a tight end is a pass not thrown to a wide receiver or a running play not handed off to a running back. As good as Nauta is you are not likely to convence me that he and Woerner are better tight ends than Chubb, Michel and Swift were as running backs. There is also the thought that if you throw a pass four things can happen and only one of them is good.

Our WRs and backs are used though, that basically invalidates the comparison to my thinking.
Every other position has the opportunity to see the ball based on merit.
We run with our RBs, we pass to our WR's and slot receivers, we use every LO and DL position, all the LB and DB positions, we kick, we return.
Only TEs are under utilized as of this season.
If we ran Ga. Tech's offense we couldn't do justice to a stable of elite receivers, get it ?