The Braves traded 3 good prospects for a .205 hitter...

Dawg1419

@orlando said:
Typical Braves bs

They are related to the falcons ya know

WCDawg

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@MacDawg15 said:
As precious as every win is would everyone agree if this guy knocks a few key runs in that lead to a win instead of loss he was worth it (given we make the playoffs of course??)

AVERAGES matter. If you go to Vegas and lose more than you win, counting the wins as wins is fools' gold.
If he comes up in 20 important situations and fails in 15 or 16 of them, he'll be a net minus.

I'm thinking that in a close pennant race, with teams within a game or two of each other, 3-4 games won with his help might make this trade more tolerable.

You miss the point of averages. If he loses as many or more by not coming through at a reasonable rate, he's a net negative.

WCDawg

@donm said:

@MacDawg15 said:
what are your big 3 doing for us? Call me out if Sims becomes a stud. This is getting rediculous

It seems that, in the past, whenever a player left Atlanta, he always did better. Maybe I just recall a few select instances, but it feels that way. Matt Kemp is the latest.

Kemp had been a star, only health issues made acquiring him questionable at the time. Letting him go was probably the mistake.

MacDawg15

Bottom line baseball is the only game where offensively you can fail 70% of the time and end up in Cooperstown. My main point is even if Sims turns out to stay in the league 7+ years we have SO many better arms with MUCH higher ceilings than him. IMO he may be an ok middle reliever which is no shame. These guys are the best players on earth. Was Walker's bat helping us? I say again you fail MUCH more than you succeed in this game. If the guy plays solid D and goes 1 for 4 with 2rbi's and strikes out 3 times will you take it? Yea he whiffed and got the hat trick, but 1 of those 2 rbi's could be the difference in a W and a L.

donm

@WCDawg said:

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@MacDawg15 said:
As precious as every win is would everyone agree if this guy knocks a few key runs in that lead to a win instead of loss he was worth it (given we make the playoffs of course??)

AVERAGES matter. If you go to Vegas and lose more than you win, counting the wins as wins is fools' gold.
If he comes up in 20 important situations and fails in 15 or 16 of them, he'll be a net minus.

I'm thinking that in a close pennant race, with teams within a game or two of each other, 3-4 games won with his help might make this trade more tolerable.

You miss the point of averages. If he loses as many or more by not coming through at a reasonable rate, he's a net negative.

Can some of those few successes make the difference in meaningful games is my question. If he hits .230 but wins or helps win some critical games, it might be worth the trade. We either had to keep Wisler/Sims on the roster or lose them to waivers next year and get nothing for them. In a weird way that makes this a 1-1 trade. Duvall can’t be worse than Tucker, certainly not in the field and I doubt as a hitter.

MacDawg15

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@MacDawg15 said:
As precious as every win is would everyone agree if this guy knocks a few key runs in that lead to a win instead of loss he was worth it (given we make the playoffs of course??)

AVERAGES matter. If you go to Vegas and lose more than you win, counting the wins as wins is fools' gold.
If he comes up in 20 important situations and fails in 15 or 16 of them, he'll be a net minus.

I'm thinking that in a close pennant race, with teams within a game or two of each other, 3-4 games won with his help might make this trade more tolerable.

You miss the point of averages. If he loses as many or more by not coming through at a reasonable rate, he's a net negative.

Can some of those few successes make the difference in meaningful games is my question. If he hits .230 but wins or helps win some critical games, it might be worth the trade. We either had to keep Wisler/Sims on the roster or lose them to waivers next year and get nothing for them. In a weird way that makes this a 1-1 trade. Duvall can’t be worse than Tucker, certainly not in the field and I doubt as a hitter.

SO much AMEN @donm

dawgdude65

Heard on the talk show this morning that non of these guys are going to make a difference this season and that the Braves are out of options with them and thought that they .ight as get something for them. But a barely .200 hitter, not to sure we made a great deal, but we do need some right side of the plate help.

donm

@dawgdude65 said:
Heard on the talk show this morning that non of these guys are going to make a difference this season and that the Braves are out of options with them and thought that they .ight as get something for them. But a barely .200 hitter, not to sure we made a great deal, but we do need some right side of the plate help.

He’s better than a .205 hitter...lifetime .239. Who knows. Might catch lightning in a bottle with him. Who knows?

Carlson231

This was a good move. Duvall is a previous all star and 2x gold glove winner. He’s hit over 250 homeruns and high RBIs. He will be exactly what we need, a power hitting player off the bench and a spot starter against LHP. Sims and Wisler were not needed in Atlanta anymore and Duvall is a better, more proven bat off the bench.

orlando

@Dawg1419 said:

@orlando said:
Typical Braves bs

They are related to the falcons ya know

Oh I know, been a homer for a long time and still don’t understand their thought process.

georgiaboy

@MacDawg15 said:

@WCDawg said:

@MacDawg15 said:

@WCDawg said:

@MacDawg15 said:

@WCDawg said:

@MacDawg15 said:

@WCDawg said:

@MacDawg15 said:
He worked in relief with us and got lit like a candle in the dark, but more specifically didn't have command of his pitches. Who cares if you throw a devastating slider and filthy changeup if you can't spot it up?

Have you watched much baseball, specifically MLB ?

It's not uncommon for players with arm talent to gain control relatively late. It's unheard of for hitters who can't hit to start hitting at 29 years old or older.
This is about Liberty finding the absolute cheapest option on the market.

Dude I was a catcher, played 3 yrs of minor league ball and have ran a baseball academy for hs and college players for a decade but I have no idea how MLB works. I was unaware some people like Sherzer pick it up a lil later than a stud like Kershaw.. Are you serious??

Then why do you assume a young pitcher with arm talent won't have future value ?

I never said he won't have future talent. But do you honestly expect them to let Soroka, Allard, Newcombe, Wright, Gohara or Fried go instead of Sims?? I'm saying with those arms Sims has no home in Atlanta as a starter. And in relief appearances definitely didn't look good. THAT is what I'm saying. I'm weighing the future options and what potential trade moves could be made by throwing in ONE of those guys mentioned for a legit area of need like behind the plate or someone to sure up the bullpen..

Of course not, but get some value for 3 pretty good prospects. This was a s**t deal.

Brother baseball is the 1 game that's absolutely unpredictable. This may not help us a bit. All i'm saying is those 3 were NOT in the plans for the organization going forward. It may turn out to be as bad as the Kimbrel trade. Very possible. But that's why they play the game. I'm not saying getting this cat was the best move. I'm saying with all the arm talent in the farm system I personally agree to take the chance on this set of 3 players because I see no room for them in the Atl. That's all. We all have opinions and $#@holes and some stink worse than others. Just giving my opinion from spending my life involved in the game.

My point is this trade was made because it's CHEAP.
That approach led to getting what appears to be next to nothing in return for 3 mid-level prospects, but prospects with pretty high ceilings.

ok man

You’re wasting your time! He’ll argue with you all night. You’ll never get the last word, even if he knows you’re right.

greshamdisco

The Duvall trade is a better move than the Hawks missing on a number #5 pick.

Teddy

In other Braves news, Camargo has been killing it lately.

donm

@Teddy said:
In other Braves news, Camargo has been killing it lately.

He was great last year too. I think he can be the regular 3B guy. He’s got lots of tools...just not overwhelming power. I do think he can be a regular 15-20 HR guy.

donm

Just read that Duvall is tied for 5th most HR’s in the NL since 2016. I didn’t know that. 79 HRs in 2 1/2 seasons. I feel better about the trade now.