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I predict this is Fromm's last year as our starter......

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  • 706Dawg706Dawg Posts: 467 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    @Acrum21 said:

    @706Dawg said:

    @Acrum21 said:

    @706Dawg said:

    @Acrum21 said:

    @706Dawg said:

    @coastaldawg said:
    I’ll stick with Fromm until Fields shows that he can use all that potential to give us a better chance of winning. Tom Brady isn’t the most physically gifted QB in pro football, but there’s a reason that many so-called experts consider him the GOAT. Intangibles and football knowledge mean a lot to QBs, don’t know that Fields doesn’t have them, but I know that Fromm does.

    I keep seeing Brady comparisons on the board. What are you picking up on that reminds you of Brady?

    Decision making and ability to read defenses pre and post snap. High football IQ. This is a guy who corrected his OC at the Army All American game concerning WR responsibilities on a given play. The guy is as prepared as your'e gonna find in the college ranks.

    Agreed and fair. What shouldn’t be overlooked is our offensive system will never be as polished as Belichek’s. College game is heavily dependent on play makers although Kirby is aggressively recruiting high IQ players to enhance the system offensively and defensively.

    That's exactly right. And you could even argue that sometimes having a slightly lesser athlete with higher football IQ is more beneficial than a better athlete that cannot be as consistent regarding decision making. Especially at the QB position where they touch the ball every play, set protections, check with me's at the LOS, etc.

    I would argue the counter in college. Better athlete typically takes the cake in college. Simple is fast. Fast is deadly in college.

    IQ is dependent on everyone not only knowing what to do but figuring out ways to do to counter the defense. Make no mistake, Fromm’s tendency to hold the ball likely means someone wasn’t where they were supposed to be; Fromm freezes and negative play occurs. Fromms IQ was spot on, but receiver/blockers screwed up AND now can you now make a neutral play; no sacks no TOs? IQ/system heavily dependent on staying on schedule. Aranada effectively fooled Fromm with disguises, made him check into exactly the look he wanted. Several balls thrown into double and triple coverage. Counter to that hurry up offense, read and go. We saw an example of that in two minute drill against FU.

    100% No debate at all on the pro game. Pro style pocket passer all **** day. Football IQ level is higher across the board in NFL. Reason why Belichek can make Matt Cassel look like a world beater in relief of Brady. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Fromm have a better NFL career than collegiate. Just depends on where he goes (Jax would be a great fit if he were eligible now).

    Really good points but I'd counter by saying the offense is the youngest unit on the team and having the continuity with Fromm, at this moment, is more beneficial than someone who can ad-lib more effectively. If we had seniors across the board, then it would probably be more beneficial to insert the more talented player and let him provide the spark.

    OK, I’d buy the youth argument for the OL only. It’s a factor.

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  • DawginSCDawginSC Posts: 792 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Whoever gives us the best chance to win should play. Period. If Fromm is better... he plays. If Fields passes him... he plays. If either gets annoyed because the better player is on the field... that's their issue. Smart is doing exactly what he promised during recruiting.

    If they leave then so be it. I'm not willing to waste a second of the "right now" on a potential gain in the future. Best guy plays.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Acrum21 said:

    @706Dawg said:

    @Acrum21 said:

    @706Dawg said:

    @Acrum21 said:

    @706Dawg said:

    @coastaldawg said:
    I’ll stick with Fromm until Fields shows that he can use all that potential to give us a better chance of winning. Tom Brady isn’t the most physically gifted QB in pro football, but there’s a reason that many so-called experts consider him the GOAT. Intangibles and football knowledge mean a lot to QBs, don’t know that Fields doesn’t have them, but I know that Fromm does.

    I keep seeing Brady comparisons on the board. What are you picking up on that reminds you of Brady?

    Decision making and ability to read defenses pre and post snap. High football IQ. This is a guy who corrected his OC at the Army All American game concerning WR responsibilities on a given play. The guy is as prepared as your'e gonna find in the college ranks.

    Agreed and fair. What shouldn’t be overlooked is our offensive system will never be as polished as Belichek’s. College game is heavily dependent on play makers although Kirby is aggressively recruiting high IQ players to enhance the system offensively and defensively.

    That's exactly right. And you could even argue that sometimes having a slightly lesser athlete with higher football IQ is more beneficial than a better athlete that cannot be as consistent regarding decision making. Especially at the QB position where they touch the ball every play, set protections, check with me's at the LOS, etc.

    I would argue the counter in college. Better athlete typically takes the cake in college. Simple is fast. Fast is deadly in college.

    IQ is dependent on everyone not only knowing what to do but figuring out ways to do to counter the defense. Make no mistake, Fromm’s tendency to hold the ball likely means someone wasn’t where they were supposed to be; Fromm freezes and negative play occurs. Fromms IQ was spot on, but receiver/blockers screwed up AND now can you now make a neutral play; no sacks no TOs? IQ/system heavily dependent on staying on schedule. Aranada effectively fooled Fromm with disguises, made him check into exactly the look he wanted. Several balls thrown into double and triple coverage. Counter to that hurry up offense, read and go. We saw an example of that in two minute drill against FU.

    100% No debate at all on the pro game. Pro style pocket passer all **** day. Football IQ level is higher across the board in NFL. Reason why Belichek can make Matt Cassel look like a world beater in relief of Brady. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Fromm have a better NFL career than collegiate. Just depends on where he goes (Jax would be a great fit if he were eligible now).

    Really good points but I'd counter by saying the offense is the youngest unit on the team and having the continuity with Fromm, at this moment, is more beneficial than someone who can ad-lib more effectively. If we had seniors across the board, then it would probably be more beneficial to insert the more talented player and let him provide the spark.

    Checking off pre snap and going through progressions really is ad-libbing, it's skilled ad-libbing.

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  • BullyDawgBullyDawg Posts: 524 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Trust in CKS...

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  • Acrum21Acrum21 Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @Acrum21 said:

    @706Dawg said:

    @Acrum21 said:

    @706Dawg said:

    @Acrum21 said:

    @706Dawg said:

    @coastaldawg said:
    I’ll stick with Fromm until Fields shows that he can use all that potential to give us a better chance of winning. Tom Brady isn’t the most physically gifted QB in pro football, but there’s a reason that many so-called experts consider him the GOAT. Intangibles and football knowledge mean a lot to QBs, don’t know that Fields doesn’t have them, but I know that Fromm does.

    I keep seeing Brady comparisons on the board. What are you picking up on that reminds you of Brady?

    Decision making and ability to read defenses pre and post snap. High football IQ. This is a guy who corrected his OC at the Army All American game concerning WR responsibilities on a given play. The guy is as prepared as your'e gonna find in the college ranks.

    Agreed and fair. What shouldn’t be overlooked is our offensive system will never be as polished as Belichek’s. College game is heavily dependent on play makers although Kirby is aggressively recruiting high IQ players to enhance the system offensively and defensively.

    That's exactly right. And you could even argue that sometimes having a slightly lesser athlete with higher football IQ is more beneficial than a better athlete that cannot be as consistent regarding decision making. Especially at the QB position where they touch the ball every play, set protections, check with me's at the LOS, etc.

    I would argue the counter in college. Better athlete typically takes the cake in college. Simple is fast. Fast is deadly in college.

    IQ is dependent on everyone not only knowing what to do but figuring out ways to do to counter the defense. Make no mistake, Fromm’s tendency to hold the ball likely means someone wasn’t where they were supposed to be; Fromm freezes and negative play occurs. Fromms IQ was spot on, but receiver/blockers screwed up AND now can you now make a neutral play; no sacks no TOs? IQ/system heavily dependent on staying on schedule. Aranada effectively fooled Fromm with disguises, made him check into exactly the look he wanted. Several balls thrown into double and triple coverage. Counter to that hurry up offense, read and go. We saw an example of that in two minute drill against FU.

    100% No debate at all on the pro game. Pro style pocket passer all **** day. Football IQ level is higher across the board in NFL. Reason why Belichek can make Matt Cassel look like a world beater in relief of Brady. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Fromm have a better NFL career than collegiate. Just depends on where he goes (Jax would be a great fit if he were eligible now).

    Really good points but I'd counter by saying the offense is the youngest unit on the team and having the continuity with Fromm, at this moment, is more beneficial than someone who can ad-lib more effectively. If we had seniors across the board, then it would probably be more beneficial to insert the more talented player and let him provide the spark.

    Checking off pre snap and going through progressions really is ad-libbing, it's skilled ad-libbing.

    I'd disagree just based off pure definition. Making a check at the LOS is about as forward thinking and anticipatory as it gets. Ad-lib is purely reactionary. But this one could turn into a chicken or the egg type discussion haha

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Acrum21 said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Acrum21 said:

    @706Dawg said:

    @Acrum21 said:

    @706Dawg said:

    @Acrum21 said:

    @706Dawg said:

    @coastaldawg said:
    I’ll stick with Fromm until Fields shows that he can use all that potential to give us a better chance of winning. Tom Brady isn’t the most physically gifted QB in pro football, but there’s a reason that many so-called experts consider him the GOAT. Intangibles and football knowledge mean a lot to QBs, don’t know that Fields doesn’t have them, but I know that Fromm does.

    I keep seeing Brady comparisons on the board. What are you picking up on that reminds you of Brady?

    Decision making and ability to read defenses pre and post snap. High football IQ. This is a guy who corrected his OC at the Army All American game concerning WR responsibilities on a given play. The guy is as prepared as your'e gonna find in the college ranks.

    Agreed and fair. What shouldn’t be overlooked is our offensive system will never be as polished as Belichek’s. College game is heavily dependent on play makers although Kirby is aggressively recruiting high IQ players to enhance the system offensively and defensively.

    That's exactly right. And you could even argue that sometimes having a slightly lesser athlete with higher football IQ is more beneficial than a better athlete that cannot be as consistent regarding decision making. Especially at the QB position where they touch the ball every play, set protections, check with me's at the LOS, etc.

    I would argue the counter in college. Better athlete typically takes the cake in college. Simple is fast. Fast is deadly in college.

    IQ is dependent on everyone not only knowing what to do but figuring out ways to do to counter the defense. Make no mistake, Fromm’s tendency to hold the ball likely means someone wasn’t where they were supposed to be; Fromm freezes and negative play occurs. Fromms IQ was spot on, but receiver/blockers screwed up AND now can you now make a neutral play; no sacks no TOs? IQ/system heavily dependent on staying on schedule. Aranada effectively fooled Fromm with disguises, made him check into exactly the look he wanted. Several balls thrown into double and triple coverage. Counter to that hurry up offense, read and go. We saw an example of that in two minute drill against FU.

    100% No debate at all on the pro game. Pro style pocket passer all **** day. Football IQ level is higher across the board in NFL. Reason why Belichek can make Matt Cassel look like a world beater in relief of Brady. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Fromm have a better NFL career than collegiate. Just depends on where he goes (Jax would be a great fit if he were eligible now).

    Really good points but I'd counter by saying the offense is the youngest unit on the team and having the continuity with Fromm, at this moment, is more beneficial than someone who can ad-lib more effectively. If we had seniors across the board, then it would probably be more beneficial to insert the more talented player and let him provide the spark.

    Checking off pre snap and going through progressions really is ad-libbing, it's skilled ad-libbing.

    I'd disagree just based off pure definition. Making a check at the LOS is about as forward thinking and anticipatory as it gets. Ad-lib is purely reactionary. But this one could turn into a chicken or the egg type discussion haha

    Semantics really don't interest me much. Getting into the best plays and making the best choices after the snap is far more important on balance than making some yardage after a play is busted in my opinion.

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  • hamsandmichhamsandmich Posts: 299 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Assumptions abound regarding the QB situation. We don't know what Field's can or can't do really, But, we also don't know what Field's knows or doesn't know (playbook). Fields said when he committed, that he was OK with redshirting to develop. Now, if he doesn't play, people assume he will transfer. I don't think he will leave. Using the Bama/Tua situation doesn't fit here. Bama went away from the elusive option QB to the passer. The Cam Newton comparison is also not fair to use here either. Cam was a fourth year college player when he got to Auburn (2 years playing QB for Urban Myer and one year starting at Blinn JC). That is a lot of development. Don't let Fields lofty prospect ranking cloud your judgement. I guess it's ok for fan, but I hope the staff is sensible. If he wins the job later, cool. Don't just play a kid so he wont leave. Well, UGA doesn't seem to have that problem. That's just my take.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @12ed said:

    @BullyDawg said:
    Trust in CKS...

    I respectfully disagree

    You wascally wabbit.

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  • 706Dawg706Dawg Posts: 467 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    @hamsandmich said:
    Assumptions abound regarding the QB situation. We don't know what Field's can or can't do really, But, we also don't know what Field's knows or doesn't know (playbook). Fields said when he committed, that he was OK with redshirting to develop. Now, if he doesn't play, people assume he will transfer. I don't think he will leave. Using the Bama/Tua situation doesn't fit here. Bama went away from the elusive option QB to the passer. The Cam Newton comparison is also not fair to use here either. Cam was a fourth year college player when he got to Auburn (2 years playing QB for Urban Myer and one year starting at Blinn JC). That is a lot of development. Don't let Fields lofty prospect ranking cloud your judgement. I guess it's ok for fan, but I hope the staff is sensible. If he wins the job later, cool. Don't just play a kid so he wont leave. Well, UGA doesn't seem to have that problem. That's just my take.

    +1.

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  • 706Dawg706Dawg Posts: 467 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    @Acrum21 said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Acrum21 said:

    @706Dawg said:

    @Acrum21 said:

    @706Dawg said:

    @Acrum21 said:

    @706Dawg said:

    @coastaldawg said:
    I’ll stick with Fromm until Fields shows that he can use all that potential to give us a better chance of winning. Tom Brady isn’t the most physically gifted QB in pro football, but there’s a reason that many so-called experts consider him the GOAT. Intangibles and football knowledge mean a lot to QBs, don’t know that Fields doesn’t have them, but I know that Fromm does.

    I keep seeing Brady comparisons on the board. What are you picking up on that reminds you of Brady?

    Decision making and ability to read defenses pre and post snap. High football IQ. This is a guy who corrected his OC at the Army All American game concerning WR responsibilities on a given play. The guy is as prepared as your'e gonna find in the college ranks.

    Agreed and fair. What shouldn’t be overlooked is our offensive system will never be as polished as Belichek’s. College game is heavily dependent on play makers although Kirby is aggressively recruiting high IQ players to enhance the system offensively and defensively.

    That's exactly right. And you could even argue that sometimes having a slightly lesser athlete with higher football IQ is more beneficial than a better athlete that cannot be as consistent regarding decision making. Especially at the QB position where they touch the ball every play, set protections, check with me's at the LOS, etc.

    I would argue the counter in college. Better athlete typically takes the cake in college. Simple is fast. Fast is deadly in college.

    IQ is dependent on everyone not only knowing what to do but figuring out ways to do to counter the defense. Make no mistake, Fromm’s tendency to hold the ball likely means someone wasn’t where they were supposed to be; Fromm freezes and negative play occurs. Fromms IQ was spot on, but receiver/blockers screwed up AND now can you now make a neutral play; no sacks no TOs? IQ/system heavily dependent on staying on schedule. Aranada effectively fooled Fromm with disguises, made him check into exactly the look he wanted. Several balls thrown into double and triple coverage. Counter to that hurry up offense, read and go. We saw an example of that in two minute drill against FU.

    100% No debate at all on the pro game. Pro style pocket passer all **** day. Football IQ level is higher across the board in NFL. Reason why Belichek can make Matt Cassel look like a world beater in relief of Brady. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Fromm have a better NFL career than collegiate. Just depends on where he goes (Jax would be a great fit if he were eligible now).

    Really good points but I'd counter by saying the offense is the youngest unit on the team and having the continuity with Fromm, at this moment, is more beneficial than someone who can ad-lib more effectively. If we had seniors across the board, then it would probably be more beneficial to insert the more talented player and let him provide the spark.

    Checking off pre snap and going through progressions really is ad-libbing, it's skilled ad-libbing.

    I'd disagree just based off pure definition. Making a check at the LOS is about as forward thinking and anticipatory as it gets. Ad-lib is purely reactionary. But this one could turn into a chicken or the egg type discussion haha

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @hamsandmich said:
    Assumptions abound regarding the QB situation. We don't know what Field's can or can't do really, But, we also don't know what Field's knows or doesn't know (playbook). Fields said when he committed, that he was OK with redshirting to develop. Now, if he doesn't play, people assume he will transfer. I don't think he will leave. Using the Bama/Tua situation doesn't fit here. Bama went away from the elusive option QB to the passer. The Cam Newton comparison is also not fair to use here either. Cam was a fourth year college player when he got to Auburn (2 years playing QB for Urban Myer and one year starting at Blinn JC). That is a lot of development. Don't let Fields lofty prospect ranking cloud your judgement. I guess it's ok for fan, but I hope the staff is sensible. If he wins the job later, cool. Don't just play a kid so he wont leave. Well, UGA doesn't seem to have that problem. That's just my take.

    I agree for the most part.
    This push by fans to see Fields play NOW! seems more self interest than team or player interest.
    Let the young man learn in his time, give Jake the deference and support he's earned. If Fields is good enough, and I expect he is, his time will come. If he gets 2 years starting with the best roster in UGA football history, would it be so bad ?

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  • PerroGrandePerroGrande Posts: 6,274 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited October 2018

    We probably have too many fans projecting their attitudes on Kirby. Kirby seemed disappointed that Justin didn't get in when he was giving the post game interview. I believe they thought the game was too close to get him in for a series. I wouldn't be surprised if Fields starts coming in on some short yardage situations in the future, but winning is paramount for the rest of the season to stay alive in the race. He is also trying to build his roster and season the bullpups for future action. There is a balance and he's going to decide how that looks. The fans who aren't aligned with Kirby's goals shouldn't get upset when he is using the guy he thinks can win, and neither should the other side when he is trying to develop and win with the other guy.

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  • UnderDog68UnderDog68 Posts: 3,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @RedBlackDawg said:
    Let me ask you something. If Kirby decides in spring and summer ball that Fields has progressed where he will be the starter on opening day (based on daily practice observations and evaluations), would you be accepting of that? Or is your bromance with Fromm cloud your judgement....

    Yes. Kirby gets paid to make those talent evaluations and those decisions. We don't. I want the person under center who will give us the best shot at winning on any given week. If that person is Fields, so be it. If it's Fromm, same.

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  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @bigdawg2223 said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @RedBlackDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @RedBlackDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @RedBlackDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:
    Idiot away.

    Why is that an “idiot” comment. By then Fields will have a full year of the playbook under his belt. It’s clear that he has more elite physical traits. Fromm clearly has better command of the offense at present, and also the “it” factor that is hard to quantify. But if Justin has that same mental makeup (and people all rave about how smart he is), why is it far fetched that he may out duel Fromm in spring and fall camp??

    Give it a rest..please, some of you are like chickens, you wake up in a new world every morning.

    So you insult and ridicule when you can’t argue your point?? Nice.....

    You guys just keep posting the same lame BS, you'd think Saturday would have taught you something.

    Let me ask you something. If Kirby decides in spring and summer ball that Fields has progressed where he will be the starter on opening day (based on daily practice observations and evaluations), would you be accepting of that? Or is your bromance with Fromm cloud your judgement....

    Just support Fromm and see how Fields progresses.
    It's extremely rare to bench a QB who is very effective and a great leader.
    This harping on Fields serves no purpose and is even corrosive.

    This is why you’re ignorant and borderline racist. On another thread you belittled another poster for not supporting all our players. Yet when asked if the staff decides Fields has earned the job. “I’ll see how he progresses and support Fromm” ****?! I got your number now racist pos you might not admit it but inside it’s “Fields is black and there’s no place on the Georgia football team for a black qb”. I hope Fields stays wins the job so the majority of us can laugh in your racist face.

    In all honesty you made too big of a leap for me when you concluded "racist". Can you not think of other possible motivations other than racism that would lead WC to conclude what he did?

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  • Casanova_FlatulenceCasanova_Flatulence Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Talking about QB... oh what might have been. Check out #7 in this link:

    https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/10-things-im-absolutely-overreacting-to-after-week-9/?mc_cid=71292585e6&mc_eid=7059ed694b

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