The Camp Fire is shaping up as our worst natural disaster since Katrina..

WCDawg

@RxDawg said:

@PerroGrande said:
You can talk to a forestry grad from UGA about it. We used to have a great Forestry school. We probably have some foresters on board. Controlled burns used to be the answer to reducing forest fire risk. Perhaps the forests out there are different, and maybe the environmentalists oppose it, despite the safety benefits.

I actually figured it was just mass space. Cali is huge. That's a lot of dry woods to maintain.

There's a good post, about time.
Many things factor in to make California such a fire hazard. Everything from seasonal rains surrounded by very dry periods, Santa Anna winds that come during the driest periods, the mountainous terrain, the types of trees and undergrowth that are common, encroachment by towns, many many factors.

PerroGrande

@RxDawg said:

@PerroGrande said:
You can talk to a forestry grad from UGA about it. We used to have a great Forestry school. We probably have some foresters on board. Controlled burns used to be the answer to reducing forest fire risk. Perhaps the forests out there are different, and maybe the environmentalists oppose it, despite the safety benefits.

I actually figured it was just mass space. Cali is huge. That's a lot of dry woods to maintain.

I think the environmentalists don't like it, so it probably isn't popular in CA. And I haven't done much with forestry in a long time; it may not be considered best practice any longer. But, that used to be a specific selling point for doing it--it cleans out the kindling that helps the fires spread. CA is dry and it can be really windy, so it is possible that firebreaks and controlled burns don't do much.

WCDawg

@PerroGrande said:

@RxDawg said:

@PerroGrande said:
You can talk to a forestry grad from UGA about it. We used to have a great Forestry school. We probably have some foresters on board. Controlled burns used to be the answer to reducing forest fire risk. Perhaps the forests out there are different, and maybe the environmentalists oppose it, despite the safety benefits.

I actually figured it was just mass space. Cali is huge. That's a lot of dry woods to maintain.

I think the environmentalists don't like it, so it probably isn't popular in CA. And I haven't done much with forestry in a long time; it may not be considered best practice any longer. But, that used to be a specific selling point for doing it--it cleans out the kindling that helps the fires spread. CA is dry and it can be really windy, so it is possible that firebreaks and controlled burns don't do much.

NM.

donm

@WCDawg said:

@RxDawg said:

@PerroGrande said:
You can talk to a forestry grad from UGA about it. We used to have a great Forestry school. We probably have some foresters on board. Controlled burns used to be the answer to reducing forest fire risk. Perhaps the forests out there are different, and maybe the environmentalists oppose it, despite the safety benefits.

I actually figured it was just mass space. Cali is huge. That's a lot of dry woods to maintain.

There's a good post, about time.
Many things factor in to make California such a fire hazard. Everything from seasonal rains surrounded by very dry periods, Santa Anna winds that come during the driest periods, the mountainous terrain, the types of trees and undergrowth that are common, encroachment by towns, many many factors.

Cali is in the midst of a 5 year drought - the main culprit from what the forest service guy said today on the radio

PerroGrande

@WCDawg said:

@PerroGrande said:

@RxDawg said:

@PerroGrande said:
You can talk to a forestry grad from UGA about it. We used to have a great Forestry school. We probably have some foresters on board. Controlled burns used to be the answer to reducing forest fire risk. Perhaps the forests out there are different, and maybe the environmentalists oppose it, despite the safety benefits.

I actually figured it was just mass space. Cali is huge. That's a lot of dry woods to maintain.

I think the environmentalists don't like it, so it probably isn't popular in CA. And I haven't done much with forestry in a long time; it may not be considered best practice any longer. But, that used to be a specific selling point for doing it--it cleans out the kindling that helps the fires spread. CA is dry and it can be really windy, so it is possible that firebreaks and controlled burns don't do much.

That is just uneducated nonsense.

Good ole WC...insult first, ask questions later.
http://www.gfc.state.ga.us/forest-management/prescribed-fire/

MarkBoknecht

@WCDawg said:

@jgf1031 said:
Pardon my ignorance and please know I mean no disrespect to the many who've died, but I'm having a hard time grasping how so many people have died through all this. How fast are these fires moving? Are they stubborn and refuse to evacuate? Does anyone have any firefighting experience that can shed some light?

If this has been addressed already, my bad. Saw that the thread got derailed and just skipped on down to the bottom.

Go Dawgs!

Several factors made it so deadly. Paradise has many retirees, the roads are narrow, windy and there aren't many ways in or out. The fire hit early in the morning under very dry windy conditions and moved the distance of a football field in just seconds, It is a very woodsy town, lots and lots of combustible material to feed off of. It was so intense rescue and recovery personnel are having trouble telling if remains are human or animal.

It's just terrible. The pictures of the white-scorched earth and the former buildings were barely recognizable. Some places only had foundation pads to indicate where a building once stood.
Pray for these folks.

Dawg1419

@PerroGrande said:
You can talk to a forestry grad from UGA about it. We used to have a great Forestry school. We probably have some foresters on board. Controlled burns used to be the answer to reducing forest fire risk. Perhaps the forests out there are different, and maybe the environmentalists oppose it, despite the safety benefits.

I have and he said with the lack of rainfall in the area, winds and not being able to prescribe burn its Californias fault this is happening. So Trump is right as usual. Like it or not the truth is they need to remove the fuel from the ground by prescribe burns. We do it every year where we hunt.

WCDawg

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@RxDawg said:

@PerroGrande said:
You can talk to a forestry grad from UGA about it. We used to have a great Forestry school. We probably have some foresters on board. Controlled burns used to be the answer to reducing forest fire risk. Perhaps the forests out there are different, and maybe the environmentalists oppose it, despite the safety benefits.

I actually figured it was just mass space. Cali is huge. That's a lot of dry woods to maintain.

There's a good post, about time.
Many things factor in to make California such a fire hazard. Everything from seasonal rains surrounded by very dry periods, Santa Anna winds that come during the driest periods, the mountainous terrain, the types of trees and undergrowth that are common, encroachment by towns, many many factors.

Cali is in the midst of a 5 year drought - the main culprit from what the forest service guy said today on the radio

Absolutely. I lived on The Western Slope of Colorado during a major draught, we had many fires that narrowly missed blowing up. The Storm King Mountain Fire (also known as The South Canyon Fire) that overran and killed 14 firefighters happened a year before I moved about 40 miles from the site.

WCDawg

@Dawg1419 said:

@PerroGrande said:
You can talk to a forestry grad from UGA about it. We used to have a great Forestry school. We probably have some foresters on board. Controlled burns used to be the answer to reducing forest fire risk. Perhaps the forests out there are different, and maybe the environmentalists oppose it, despite the safety benefits.

I have and he said with the lack of rainfall in the area, winds and not being able to prescribe burn its Californias fault this is happening. So Trump is right as usual. Like it or not the truth is they need to remove the fuel from the ground by prescribe burns. We do it every year where we hunt.

Sure, the blow hard knows all, the people who actually know things don't really know anything.
If you ever lived in very mountainous places like Colorado and California you might have accidentally learned how hard it is to do controlled burns with that topography.

Dawg1419

@WCDawg said:

@Dawg1419 said:

@PerroGrande said:
You can talk to a forestry grad from UGA about it. We used to have a great Forestry school. We probably have some foresters on board. Controlled burns used to be the answer to reducing forest fire risk. Perhaps the forests out there are different, and maybe the environmentalists oppose it, despite the safety benefits.

I have and he said with the lack of rainfall in the area, winds and not being able to prescribe burn its Californias fault this is happening. So Trump is right as usual. Like it or not the truth is they need to remove the fuel from the ground by prescribe burns. We do it every year where we hunt.

Sure, the blow hard knows all, the people who actually know things don't really know anything.
If you ever lived in very mountainous places like Colorado and California you might have accidentally learned how hard it is to do controlled burns with that topography.

Where do you live?

WCDawg

@Dawg1419 said:

@WCDawg said:

@Dawg1419 said:

@PerroGrande said:
You can talk to a forestry grad from UGA about it. We used to have a great Forestry school. We probably have some foresters on board. Controlled burns used to be the answer to reducing forest fire risk. Perhaps the forests out there are different, and maybe the environmentalists oppose it, despite the safety benefits.

I have and he said with the lack of rainfall in the area, winds and not being able to prescribe burn its Californias fault this is happening. So Trump is right as usual. Like it or not the truth is they need to remove the fuel from the ground by prescribe burns. We do it every year where we hunt.

Sure, the blow hard knows all, the people who actually know things don't really know anything.
If you ever lived in very mountainous places like Colorado and California you might have accidentally learned how hard it is to do controlled burns with that topography.

Where do you live?

I live back home in West Georgia now. I lived in Colorado for 10 years and I spent a lot of time in California doing landscape photography, hiking, climbing, skiing and kayaking.
Trump's problem..well, it's OUR problem really, is he doesn't like to study things, he just looks at something and thinks he understands it.

WCDawg

@PerroGrande said:

@WCDawg said:

@PerroGrande said:

@RxDawg said:

@PerroGrande said:
You can talk to a forestry grad from UGA about it. We used to have a great Forestry school. We probably have some foresters on board. Controlled burns used to be the answer to reducing forest fire risk. Perhaps the forests out there are different, and maybe the environmentalists oppose it, despite the safety benefits.

I actually figured it was just mass space. Cali is huge. That's a lot of dry woods to maintain.

I think the environmentalists don't like it, so it probably isn't popular in CA. And I haven't done much with forestry in a long time; it may not be considered best practice any longer. But, that used to be a specific selling point for doing it--it cleans out the kindling that helps the fires spread. CA is dry and it can be really windy, so it is possible that firebreaks and controlled burns don't do much.

That is just uneducated nonsense.

Good ole WC...insult first, ask questions later.
http://www.gfc.state.ga.us/forest-management/prescribed-fire/

Bite me...how's it going ?

RxDawg

@WCDawg said:

@RxDawg said:

@PerroGrande said:
You can talk to a forestry grad from UGA about it. We used to have a great Forestry school. We probably have some foresters on board. Controlled burns used to be the answer to reducing forest fire risk. Perhaps the forests out there are different, and maybe the environmentalists oppose it, despite the safety benefits.

I actually figured it was just mass space. Cali is huge. That's a lot of dry woods to maintain.

There's a good post, about time.
Many things factor in to make California such a fire hazard. Everything from seasonal rains surrounded by very dry periods, Santa Anna winds that come during the driest periods, the mountainous terrain, the types of trees and undergrowth that are common, encroachment by towns, many many factors.

See, I'm brilliant! You should listen to me.

WCDawg

@RxDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@RxDawg said:

@PerroGrande said:
You can talk to a forestry grad from UGA about it. We used to have a great Forestry school. We probably have some foresters on board. Controlled burns used to be the answer to reducing forest fire risk. Perhaps the forests out there are different, and maybe the environmentalists oppose it, despite the safety benefits.

I actually figured it was just mass space. Cali is huge. That's a lot of dry woods to maintain.

There's a good post, about time.
Many things factor in to make California such a fire hazard. Everything from seasonal rains surrounded by very dry periods, Santa Anna winds that come during the driest periods, the mountainous terrain, the types of trees and undergrowth that are common, encroachment by towns, many many factors.

See, I'm brilliant! You should listen to

Yes, let's rake.

Dawg1419

@WCDawg said:

@Dawg1419 said:

@WCDawg said:

@Dawg1419 said:

@PerroGrande said:
You can talk to a forestry grad from UGA about it. We used to have a great Forestry school. We probably have some foresters on board. Controlled burns used to be the answer to reducing forest fire risk. Perhaps the forests out there are different, and maybe the environmentalists oppose it, despite the safety benefits.

I have and he said with the lack of rainfall in the area, winds and not being able to prescribe burn its Californias fault this is happening. So Trump is right as usual. Like it or not the truth is they need to remove the fuel from the ground by prescribe burns. We do it every year where we hunt.

Sure, the blow hard knows all, the people who actually know things don't really know anything.
If you ever lived in very mountainous places like Colorado and California you might have accidentally learned how hard it is to do controlled burns with that topography.

Where do you live?

I live back home in West Georgia now. I lived in Colorado for 10 years and I spent a lot of time in California doing landscape photography, hiking, climbing, skiing and kayaking.
Trump's problem..well, it's OUR problem really, is he doesn't like to study things, he just looks at something and thinks he understands it.

Welcome back.