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Well, here’s a professional’s opinion about it...sounds familiar to everything I’ve been saying. I’m not a Fromm hater, rather I am a Coley defender. Our expectations of this team has many on a witch hunt, but the shoe doesn’t fit. I hope Fromm has the game of his life on Saturday to be clear. If you want to blame Coley, do so. I just think you’re wrong in doing so. Reality, surrounding talent has covered up a lot just like a great makeup. IMO nothing has changed since year 1. Good QB, not great, not elite.
This was shared with me earlier today from Jake Rowe at 247.
A few things...
- The No. 1 thing that stood out to me was how many EASY opportunities were created by Chaney and the receivers. Some of it was scheme but a lot of it was Mecole Hardman, Riley Ridley, Terry Godwin, and Jeremiah Holloman just winning. That's not dogging UGA's receivers because in the second half of the season, outside of the Auburn game (I watched that one two more times just watching the offense and the separation was not there), the receivers have done a much better job. They're just not creating the same "don't screw this up" type of throws that the guys last year were.
- Obviously Fromm is just off to some extent. He made so many good throws in tight coverage last year, especially the second half of the season. His body language was different, too. Just seemed more confident and locked in. But he was also in a better rhythm and I could count the times he threw late on one, maybe two hands. Compare that to this year when you can find a handful of times he's late with the ball per game. I've also noticed there are some times where he wants to get it out sooner but doesn't pull the trigger. Now I have heard that Georgia is a higher percentage of sight adjustments in 2019 (altering the route based on the leverage or coverage) than they did in 2018. I can't confirm that. That's not coming from the horse's mouth, but I've had a couple of trusted contacts tell me that. If that's the case and UGA is using more option routes than in the past, it is a little head-scratching because of the youth and inexperience with this group of receivers. I could also play in to being late with the ball more often if the chemistry isn't there.
- I honestly haven't noticed a big difference in mechanics. I've seen a lot of talk about how often Fromm throws off his back foot and he does that some, but it's not a high percentage of the time and he rarely does it out of necessity. One thing he does do that I think throws some off is that he'll deliver the throw, his back foot will come off the ground, clearly indicating that he's on his front foot, and then he'll kind of recoil and ball back a little. I'm no QB guru, so that could be a no-no. I'm just not sure.
- I'm not sure how many have noticed it but from the South Carolina game until the Texas A&M game, the back-shoulder throw almost disappeared. There were a couple here or there, but nowhere near as many as we've seen in the past.
Conclusion: Jake isn't playing as well as he has in the past and UGA needs him to play better. That's all there is to it. UGA doesn't just need him to return to form in a big way but it needs him to return to form and maybe improve a little. I don't think it's ALL on him by any means. The way this offense is built forces him to execute at a high level and the same can be said for the receivers. As much as folks don't want to hear it, the inexperience at receiver coming into the year combined with the injuries UGA has had to deal with at the position have made the "work in progress" last much longer than it should have. That's where Georgia is right now in that regard.
@SoFL_Dawg your last response was too long to quote. All these points made by you and Jake are very valid. Not all the blame is on Coley I’ve admitted that. Imo I think you’re defending Coley too much which is your prerogative and it’s cool if we all had the same opinion there’s no discussion. In regards to Fromm being “off” there’s numerous reasons why that is. Sure Coley was his QB coach last year but still had Chaney to lean on. Chaney isn’t some guru and I think UGA is better without him but he is more experienced than Coley in regards to coaching QBs. I can’t remember what Fromms offseason was like outside of UGA but if he indeed does come back I think it would be wise of him to seek an experienced QB coach outside of staff. Unless, an experienced dedicated QB coach comes in(bobo?) that can help him get back to form. It is tough losing all those receivers, no denying that but there’s plenty of teams that maybe didn’t set the world on fire but played better with inexperienced receivers than we have. We’ll see what happens but being as it’s Thursday night and there’s been no reports of any changes or additions to analysts I think we’ll have all off season to discuss what happens or doesn’t happen with the coaching staff.
Fromm has a private QB coach (one he has worked with since his HS days). I don't recall his name but the name of his "academy" is QB Country and he has trained/worked with some big name quarterbacks.
I knew Jake had worked with someone in the past was just unsure of this off season. Not saying it’s not a good camp but the only testimony given by a “big name QB” was Eli Manning. And that’s probably an endorsement because of their association with Ole Miss but who knows. Maybe Jake could benefit from a different private coach as well. Just from my seat on the couch last year he started slow but at the end of the year balled out and played his best and looked like his JR year was going to be like the end of his sophomore year. Not the case his Jr year has looked like the beginning of his Soph year and never picked up.
The website claims Daniel Jones (a first round pick) and Gardner Minshew (a rookie starter) as clients.
I wouldn’t call them big names yet, I mean Gardner didn’t do much until he got to Wazzou. He was gonna be a backup at Bama before Leach got him. Daniel Jones also was coached by David Cutcliffe who like Leach is a “guru”. I’m not saying the school is bad I’m not saying it’s not elite just saying there’s questions when it comes to Jake Fromm.
I’d like to see him work with Whitfield but that’s just me.
I had always heard Tom House was the top QB guru. At least in terms of mechanics. Current or former clients include Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Matt Stafford, and Matt Ryan. But he's based in California so maybe it's not feasible. Or maybe he only works with pros.
There’s a lot of good ones out there. Shea Crouse and Whitfield to my knowledge. But that’s about the extent of my qb coach names. As far as private anyway.
Edit: Nevermind, no context to that rumor.
If that was the case bobo would be here by now and someone would know he was on campus. I seen the same rumor on 24/7 and it’s just that. Or maybe I’m wrong we’ll see
IMO, good OCs take what they have and find a way to be successful. This talk of Fromm and Coley being oil and water tells me that both are limited. Both should be on trial. I'm confused why some are quick to defend Coley, who has yet to prove anything, and slow to defend Fromm who has proven much. Fromm isn't a do everything quarterback, we know that for a fact. He has been utilized successfully in the past, though. I get that we are short on weapons, which amplifies Fromm's shortcomings. Yet, we are trying to do things Fromm clearly struggles with, why? It feels like Coley has compounded the problem, not made the most of the situation. As OC that falls on him. He can't make Fromm into something he's not.
If you are bringing Bobo in as co-OC/QB coach/playcaller, I don't see anyway Coley stays because you have just publicly stripped him of all power and authority so you wouldn't have to worry about finding a spot on the staff. Honestly, I wouldn't be super geeked at bringing Bobo in as an analyst...I think there are better, more innovative minds out there that could help modernize our offense than him and if you are looking to use the analyst position as a way to groom and nurture a future OC candidate (like Johnson was) I would it be a more forward looking than a nostalgia play like Bobo. It also think it is notable that that all the places he is being connected with are more a product of his strong personal relationship with the HCs (Muschamp and Smart...Pruitt (analyst)) and his likability as a person (see this heavily in the UGA beat) than a reflection of the esteem in which his offenses are held.
Clearly this is directed at me without you calling me out. If there are 5-10 plays every game that have guys “wide open” that are missed reads or throws, doesn't that indicate that Coley has “proven” something? Is that not an indicator play calling is working? I cant understand why this is so difficult for some to understand. Be critical of Coley for botching personnel during the first half of the season, not helping WRs that struggle with press get open by scheme, and failing to get our RBs off tackle where they are much more impactful. If you’re critical of Coley after the second bye week, you’re mind is made up and thats fine too; misguided but fine. Since week 1 people on this board have been calling for his head, simply because we don’t have a sexy offense, but when have we ever? All our FL kids are directly attached to him. Where would this team be without the kids from FL...the dude has “proven” his value to the team in both play calling and recruiting.
Players not plays right? You say do things to make Fromm successful, Coley has scrapped at least 20% of his play book to do just that. Watch any spread concept offense; how many zone reads do you see? RPOs? Deep shots? QB scrambles when the play breaks down? We don't call them because he isn’t efficient enough in running them. We’re calling intermediate routes where Fromm excels in his accuracy previous years. Is that not the definition of tailoring the offense to meet the skill set of a player? Now if the player isn’t accurate this season at doing things he’s supposedly elite at, not sure how you handle that. Fromm has “proven” he can be an elite game manager. There are 3 games that come to mind. We won 2/3. However, its becoming more apparent, for anyone paying attention, NFL talent masked a lot of things the first two years...former teammates have thrown shade but no one wanted to pay attention to that.
What I’m realizing is that is impossible for me to make this point without pulling the curtain back on what Fromm is, which comes off as tearing him down, but im not the one who placed him on a pedestal to begin with. If it wasn’t an unrealistic narrative created in the first place, not many would have a problem with what im saying today. I’d wager most outside of UGA probably agree with everything im saying. I feel like i’ve been fair. That said, the other poster was right, im defending Coley too much.
So ill say this is closing and ill leave the topic alone because I do support Fromm; i want him to be successful. Ive stated since the summer this is his team now and we’ll go as far as he takes us. As expected, we’re 11-1 headed into the SECCG. My prediction was that we’d be 14-1 national champions at the start of the season. Fromm is due to make his signature run, and I know he's capable. The law of averages indicates that a run is coming, because he is much better than what we've seen this season. Im not sure how to help him this season, but i don’t get paid a million dollars to figure that out. Im confident that Coley will dial up something that will put him in a position to be successful and we’ll execute.
GO DAWGS!
Great debate @SoFL_Dawg and @GrayDawg I enjoyed reading. Hopefully the two of them figure it out and hang 40 on LSU tomorrow.
On Bobo , I read where he reached a settlement with CSU , and also more rumor he may go to SC as OC
His settlement is offset by whatever he earns at new job - so he’s going to earn the same amount no matter what. If you’re Bobo , it seems like you could find a better spot than OC for a coach on the hot seat. Maybe I just don’t like SC.