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Chuck would like a word with you
Touche...
Just so I have this right... you’re protesting governor Ralph Northam because you don’t like his response to the pandemic? That’s governor Ralph Northam, former pediatric neurologist and officer in the US Army? Just making sure we’re talking about the same guy here. So what’s wrong, he doesn’t know enough about medicine for your taste? Or are his leadership skills somehow lacking?
send him a PM...keep this conversation off the thread because most of us don't want to read it
Just the Google COVID database but would obviously trust the individual state sites' data...I find time of day data is pulled is often the reason for any discrepanciess
@Kasey Just curious, are you still in Minnesota? You do realize that's Muskie territory. Northern Pike too.
yep...still here. chances are we might be taking a pontoon out shortly..if I pull anything out i'll make sure to post pics
Back in late March, when the US just surpassed Italy and China and became the country with the most Covid19 cases in the world with 80 something thousand, I posted a prediction that the US would have 500% cases more than any country in the world.
I got DV'd.
Today, we have 1,204,479 cases, which is 549% more cases than the country with the second most cases in the world (Spain). I am appalled my prediction came true, but it wasn't hard to see.
If we can't fly to Europe by July 31st (my inventory is paid for and sitting in Europe and I have to bring it here in person) and we can't have a normal economy by September 1st because a second wave hits us from reopening without precaution (too fast or too carelessly either way it's the same), I will lose over $1M this year. That's more than I can afford to lose and I will go bankrupt. I and most small businesses can withstand losses and delays for some period of time, but not forever.
What frustrates me is this doesn't have to be.
On this forum, I think the wisest comment was by Texdawg about reopening in a way that preservers our freedom by wearing masks and social distancing.
We as a nation aren't doing that.
I have with my friends made the analogy of an elementary school class that all has to get quiet for one minute before being allowed to go out to recess and then when we go out we need to follow the playground rules. And, we just haven't been able to do that. And because we can't act cohesively as a nation (that is on all of us not one side or the other), I and many small businesses are going to get screwed. We can pretend now that is not the case, but I and many small businesses will be paying the price for this miscalculation dearly in a few months.
For those concerned about the economy or anything really, doing things right is the only way. In football, we don't want CKS recruiting 5 star players with 0 star academics or 0 star attitude. It never works. It looks good on paper, but it doesn't pan out. I'm fine with reopening, but why on earth do we do it without taking precautions?
Agree 1,000%. Some models are predicting 3,000 deaths per day by the end of this month due to extent and manner of the re-opening. Many argue that this is coming from alarmists but in reality the rates in UK, Italy, Spain and France peaked at the equivalent of 5,000 per day when adjusted for population. Pictures coming out regarding the protests were disturbing given the total disregard for social distancing. The pictures from Atlanta this past weekend also showed that there were many walking the streets mask-less, packing together at crosswalks and in line for movie tickets.
The economy and individual freedoms are very important but are we really okay with the right to not wear a mask or to go to a movie really worth a "9/11" every day for the rest of the year.
WE MUST FIND THE MIDDLE GROUND!
A consumer driven economy will not be materially impacted by relaxing rules without buy-in from the consumers.
In regards to number of cases, the US tests a lot more. We of also have a lot bigger population than Spain.(330 mill vs 49 mil). So when you combine that we are a much wealthier country that has a lot more testing capabilities with a larger population I’d expect that difference. Add to the fact that we have a lot of misreporting of the numbers ( for example the same person tests positive again is counted as a new case.) Even the flu is not tracked accurately. The CDC estimates between 29,0000 to 62000 people died of the flu in the US this flu season. They don’t really know. It’s the same with this disease. And other countries with fewer resources to test have even less accurate numbers, BTW I have a personal friend who died in April after having been sick for 6 months. They tested him while still alive negative. They tested him again after and stated positive. Cause of death ruled as Corona He was 80.
None of this changes that we don’t want to see death and suffering. However a filthy rag on your face doesn’t protect you. With most peoples hygiene especially. The solution has always been good hygiene and sanitation for this and other viral diseases. Along with quarantine of the sick.
I read a story in March about a lady who worked at a chicken processing plant. She was obviously sick but her supervisor told her she had to work anyway. Beside the fact that it’s disgusting to have a person sneezing and snotting all over my chicken this was extremely ****. She infected many other people at the plant.
Our society functions as a large team. Some people make shoes, others grow and harvest food, etc. Social distancing for any long period is impossible. However people being taught to have better hygiene and stay home when sick is possible. Thousands have died of the flu and other sicknesses in the past simply because of kids getting sent to school sick. Imagine your neighbors sending their kids to school sick and your kid bringing that germ home and your elderly parent contracts it and dies. Tragedy easily avoided, not by shutting down school but by people having more sense.
I challenge you to observe people the next time you are at the grocery store . Look for bad hygiene, disgusting habits, etc. You will see it. I personally saw a lady pull down her face mask and wipe her nose on her hand who was checking out in front me. She did not sanitize before using the pin pad. I’ve saw worse.
Oh and when economics is mentioned, this isn’t minor. We are talking economic collapse, China currently buying US banks and assets under the cover of this. All empires in history have ended. This very well could be the collapse of our our way of life. Man’s old enemy of hunger and poverty are always outside the door. Look at our grocery stores. You’ve never seen our food supply stressed like this. Scary times
Spain has tested approx. twice the rate of US per capita
We test more, and we have more people. Using raw totals doesn't paint the proper picture.
Per capita aren't we about on PAR with everyone else? In fact, isn't the entire world about the same even though different countries took different steps to prevent? Feels like we are trying to hold back the ocean at this point. Folks are beginning ask how much self harm should we apply to prevent an unpreventable outbreak. And it's a reasonable question to ask.
I've lost all faith in the models. The models most used by decision makers have changed over and again. Their predictive value has been next to worthless. Professor Neil Ferguson, the mastermind behind the model out of the Imperial College of London which was so highly influential in the policy decisions made by British and US governments that he was nicknamed Dr. Lockdown, had to resign because his mistress was breaking lockdown orders to fulfill his passions. How do you predict 2 million American deaths and 500 million British deaths from the coronavirus and not take the lockdown policies seriously? Maybe because the models were based on overly conservative assumptions? Who knows, but the University of Washington models are also being criticized for their inaccuracy and false assumptions. How can anybody just put blind faith in these models? I'm not denying that the virus is real or that it is dangerous, because it is. I'm only criticizing the way this thing has been handled.
@CaliforniaDawg I sincerely hope your business doesn't go to ruin. There are millions facing similar challenges in their businesses in our country now. I serve on the board of a local charity and last night we were discussing on a conference call the idea of moving locations. Sadly, the reality is that there will likely be many new options available in the coming months. I fear that too many people, media, politicians, etc. were so focused on the virus that they had blinders towards every other issue. The world is too complex for such simple and narrowly focused strategies. I understand your aggravation towards those not willing to do what it takes to re-open the economy in a responsible way. Maybe you can now relate to the aggravation I've had towards the idea of a total shutdown from the beginning? Especially based on models that were utilizing more assumptions in their calculations than facts.
I wish you, and all of Dawgnation, well in navigating the uncertainty before us. Whatever your concern, be it the virus, the economy, or something else entirely, there will likely be hard times ahead and I hope you are able to find a good path forward.
@GrayDawg I saw that story! I didn't know much about the Dr it was about. But man, talk about do as I say not as I do.
I've been reading about Dr. Ferguson. Here are some of his previous predictions vs results:
Why on earth are we following this guy off a cliff? I get that the coronavirus has been much more severe than these examples, but shouldn't there be a little more caution in making decisions based on this guy's modeling?