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  • KirbstomperKirbstomper Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    I think you're way off...WAY OFF.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=200&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=22&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=16,d

    Nicks WRC+ was 114 this year. Compare that against the Dodgers roster. He had a really good first half but his second half was so bad he turned out to be only pretty good on aggregate. Maybe that's what is fooling you

  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Kirbstomper said:

    @WCDawg said:

    I think you're way off...WAY OFF.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=200&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=22&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=16,d

    Nicks WRC+ was 114 this year. Compare that against the Dodgers roster. He had a really good first half but his second half was so bad he turned out to be only pretty good on aggregate. Maybe that's what is fooling you

    He had a great first half. Both he and Freddie tailed off at the end of the season. Too many games = fatigue?

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Kirbstomper said:

    @WCDawg said:

    I think you're way off...WAY OFF.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=200&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=22&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=16,d

    Nicks WRC+ was 114 this year. Compare that against the Dodgers roster. He had a really good first half but his second half was so bad he turned out to be only pretty good on aggregate. Maybe that's what is fooling you

    Nothing is ''fooling'' me. some advanced stats are good, others less so.
    Again, baseball is a game of 4 bases and 27 outs in 9 increments of 3, it ain't rocket science. It's also a game of limited roster space, when you get 600 plus at bats from a single player, that is a huge plus. We recognize this with starting pitchers,but we often overlook it with position players. That is why I only looked at players with 300 or more at bats, which is still too low for an apples to apples comparison. If we had 5 position players with similar qualitative stats as Markakis has averaged over his 4 seasons in Atlanta to go with 3 star players and a good bench, we'd have as good a lineup as anybody. That is how I look at it. We have Acuna, Freeman, Albies, Camargo, Markakis and Inciarte who I think are pluses as starting position players, that leaves 2 spots we'd need to upgrade.

  • KirbstomperKirbstomper Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited October 2018

    @corai3 said:
    I say the braves try and sign two guys. AJ Pollack and Yasmani Grandal. Pollack should be able to be picked up for cheap with his injury history and Grandal would be a major upgrade at catcher. If you can get nick for less than the 11 mill we paid last year then good. Sign all 3 so we have a reliable 4th outfielder.

    Definitely super interested in Grandal. I’ve heard rumblings that the Braves Front Office is too, would be a huge upgrade for us. He hits well and is the best pitch framer in the game.

    As for pollack, he is a good player even though he has big injury issues and is 31. I have a feeling he will still get like a 4 year 60M contract from somebody.

    @donm I would think so. Everybody should probably get some days off in the dog days or else it’s bound to adversely effect your performance.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @donm said:

    @Kirbstomper said:

    @WCDawg said:

    I think you're way off...WAY OFF.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=200&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=22&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=16,d

    Nicks WRC+ was 114 this year. Compare that against the Dodgers roster. He had a really good first half but his second half was so bad he turned out to be only pretty good on aggregate. Maybe that's what is fooling you

    He had a great first half. Both he and Freddie tailed off at the end of the season. Too many games = fatigue?

    We definitely need some quality depth in the outfield.
    Swanson is frustrating, he is smart, but you wouldn't know it watching him hit. If he finally came around and became a plus hitter, we'd only need a front line catcher if we keep everybody else.
    If we don't keep Markakis, we'll really have work to do on the outfield.

  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @donm said:

    @Kirbstomper said:

    @WCDawg said:

    I think you're way off...WAY OFF.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=200&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=22&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=16,d

    Nicks WRC+ was 114 this year. Compare that against the Dodgers roster. He had a really good first half but his second half was so bad he turned out to be only pretty good on aggregate. Maybe that's what is fooling you

    He had a great first half. Both he and Freddie tailed off at the end of the season. Too many games = fatigue?

    We definitely need some quality depth in the outfield.
    Swanson is frustrating, he is smart, but you wouldn't know it watching him hit. If he finally came around and became a plus hitter, we'd only need a front line catcher if we keep everybody else.
    If we don't keep Markakis, we'll really have work to do on the outfield.

    I wonder how close Pache is to being ready to get the call.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited October 2018

    @donm said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @donm said:

    @Kirbstomper said:

    @WCDawg said:

    I think you're way off...WAY OFF.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=200&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=22&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=16,d

    Nicks WRC+ was 114 this year. Compare that against the Dodgers roster. He had a really good first half but his second half was so bad he turned out to be only pretty good on aggregate. Maybe that's what is fooling you

    He had a great first half. Both he and Freddie tailed off at the end of the season. Too many games = fatigue?

    We definitely need some quality depth in the outfield.
    Swanson is frustrating, he is smart, but you wouldn't know it watching him hit. If he finally came around and became a plus hitter, we'd only need a front line catcher if we keep everybody else.
    If we don't keep Markakis, we'll really have work to do on the outfield.

    I wonder how close Pache is to being ready to get the call.

    Good question, I'm not sure he's ready as a hitter yet. His defense is off the charts, but would being a late inning defensive sub be worthy of a roster spot ? Inciarte is a good defensive player and swapping Markakis's offense for defense in right field might be a bad bargain. I won't be surprised if Drew Waters makes it before Pache, I won't be shocked if Pache is traded because management sees more offensive potential in Waters either.

  • KirbstomperKirbstomper Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @donm said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @donm said:

    @Kirbstomper said:

    @WCDawg said:

    I think you're way off...WAY OFF.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=200&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=22&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=16,d

    Nicks WRC+ was 114 this year. Compare that against the Dodgers roster. He had a really good first half but his second half was so bad he turned out to be only pretty good on aggregate. Maybe that's what is fooling you

    He had a great first half. Both he and Freddie tailed off at the end of the season. Too many games = fatigue?

    We definitely need some quality depth in the outfield.
    Swanson is frustrating, he is smart, but you wouldn't know it watching him hit. If he finally came around and became a plus hitter, we'd only need a front line catcher if we keep everybody else.
    If we don't keep Markakis, we'll really have work to do on the outfield.

    I wonder how close Pache is to being ready to get the call.

    Good question, I'm not sure he's ready as a hitter yet. His defense is off the charts, but would being a late inning defensive sub be worthy of a roster spot ? Inciarte is a good defensive player and swapping Markakis's offense for defense in right field might be a bad bargain. I won't be surprised if Drew Waters makes it before Pache, I won't be shocked if Pache is traded because management sees more offensive potential in Waters either.

    They probably don’t start a position players clock early to be a defensive sub unless you’ve given up on their bat. Pache is probably at least 1-2 years away from being more than just a defense first center fielder. He made some strides this year but the bat still isn’t there yet. They did some good work this year to help his launch angle and that was a really big improvement since he was hitting a ton of grounders straight into the dirt last year. But he doesn’t walk much and that’s a real issue for him right now, so his approach needs some refinement.

    Waters is probably even farther away than Pache but I like him a lot. I think he will wind up in a corner, and profiles well there once he grows into his power.

    It’s also possible neither will turn into good major leaguers anyway because prospects usually don’t, and they haven’t gotten to be tested in the high minors yet. I like them both though and think they’ll both get in the low-middle parts of top 100 prospect lists to start the year.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited October 2018

    @Kirbstomper said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @donm said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @donm said:

    @Kirbstomper said:

    @WCDawg said:

    I think you're way off...WAY OFF.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=200&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=22&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=16,d

    Nicks WRC+ was 114 this year. Compare that against the Dodgers roster. He had a really good first half but his second half was so bad he turned out to be only pretty good on aggregate. Maybe that's what is fooling you

    He had a great first half. Both he and Freddie tailed off at the end of the season. Too many games = fatigue?

    We definitely need some quality depth in the outfield.
    Swanson is frustrating, he is smart, but you wouldn't know it watching him hit. If he finally came around and became a plus hitter, we'd only need a front line catcher if we keep everybody else.
    If we don't keep Markakis, we'll really have work to do on the outfield.

    I wonder how close Pache is to being ready to get the call.

    Good question, I'm not sure he's ready as a hitter yet. His defense is off the charts, but would being a late inning defensive sub be worthy of a roster spot ? Inciarte is a good defensive player and swapping Markakis's offense for defense in right field might be a bad bargain. I won't be surprised if Drew Waters makes it before Pache, I won't be shocked if Pache is traded because management sees more offensive potential in Waters either.

    They probably don’t start a position players clock early to be a defensive sub unless you’ve given up on their bat. Pache is probably at least 1-2 years away from being more than just a defense first center fielder. He made some strides this year but the bat still isn’t there yet. They did some good work this year to help his launch angle and that was a really big improvement since he was hitting a ton of grounders straight into the dirt last year. But he doesn’t walk much and that’s a real issue for him right now, so his approach needs some refinement.

    Waters is probably even farther away than Pache but I like him a lot. I think he will wind up in a corner, and profiles well there once he grows into his power.

    It’s also possible neither will turn into good major leaguers anyway because prospects usually don’t, and they haven’t gotten to be tested in the high minors yet. I like them both though and think they’ll both get in the low-middle parts of top 100 prospect lists to start the year.

    Waters' power numbers and OBP are quite a bit better than Pache's. Waters is thin through the hips, which usually isn't a plus, but he transfers power from base to contact point well for such a young guy.

  • TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Yeah strange one, she's well respected. She still did the Nashville Predators game last night.

  • AnotherDawgAnotherDawg Posts: 6,762 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
  • SavageSavage Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited May 2020

    Here's the latest on the season

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