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Greatest basketball player of all time

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  • VALDOSTADAWGVALDOSTADAWG Posts: 1,468 mod
    Lebron

    @judasdurant said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @VALDOSTADAWG said:
    @WCDawg
    But you will agree that talent overall has gotten extremely better. Three pointers being such a big part of the game nowadays. Rebound King? Sure.. GOAT? Doubtful.

    I know 11 rings or something like that.

    Talent has not gotten better. The NBA is unwatchable now. Back in Jordan's day the NBA was huge. Look at the HOF guys playing back then compared to the superstars now. NBA ratings are terrible now because it is so boring and bland. Outside of Lebron and Curry, who are the household names? The heyday of the NBA was the Jordan years in terms of popularity, talent, competitiveness, and overall entertainment value.

    I disagree 100%. Durant has turned me off the nba the last couple years, but the talent now is undoubtedly better than it was 30 years ago. Same is true for every sport.

    Also, believe it or not, nba ratings are higher than ever. That’s why the contracts for these players are so absurd

    Devin Booker (21 yrs old) just signed a 5 year 158 million dollar deal. Insanity.

  • judasdurantjudasdurant Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Lebron

    @WCDawg said:

    @VALDOSTADAWG said:
    @WCDawg
    But you will agree that talent overall has gotten extremely better. Three pointers being such a big part of the game nowadays. Rebound King? Sure.. GOAT? Doubtful.

    I know 11 rings or something like that.

    Watch the 11 second video I mentioned if you have doubts about his supreme athletic ability. He was the fastest and most agile big ever. That and he was hands down the smartest big defender ever.

    WC, my man, not even bill Simmons tries to argue that one. I’m a big bill Russell fan, but his game wouldn’t translate.

    He wasn’t even the most athletic Big of his era. Wilt literally set the single game rebound record AGAINST Russell as well

  • christopheruleschristopherules Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited July 2018
    Jordan

    Anyone ever seen the list of NBA Hall of Fame players that were prevented from ever getting a championship ring because of Jordan being in their way???

    https://www.thesportster.com/basketball/top-15-nba-legends-michael-jordan-stole-a-ring-from/

    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23456720/is-lebron-james-michael-jordan-greatest-nba-player-all

  • pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 18,991 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @christopherules said:
    Anyone ever seen the list of NBA Hall of Fame players that were prevented from ever getting a championship ring because of Jordan being in their way???

    https://www.thesportster.com/basketball/top-15-nba-legends-michael-jordan-stole-a-ring-from/

    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23456720/is-lebron-james-michael-jordan-greatest-nba-player-all

    I just wrote and epic response regarding the 80's and early 90's NBA...but I got the "your post show up after being approved" nonsense which means it's gone forever. Anyway, the list of HOF players who were all active at the same time is staggering. And Jordan ruled them all. The NBA is nothing like it used to be. There are maybe 3-4 elite players right now. Kids are coming right out of HS or after one year of college. How tough can the competition be if 18 year old kids are starting?

  • DamnYankeeDawgDamnYankeeDawg Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Jordan

    Jordan is the GOAT in my lifetime. He was behind Magic and Bird in the '80s. That all changed when he drilled six 3s in the first half against Portland in 1991. When he improved his outside shooting, he couldn't be stopped. The rest of the NBA, as well as DYD, shrugged like Jordan and basically said the league is screwed.

  • AirForceDawgAirForceDawg Posts: 194 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
    Jordan

    Fwiw, I voted for Michael Jordan (better scorer and defender):

    Jordan, 6'6", 216 lbs.:

    • ACC Rookie of the Year, 2x First-Team All ACC, 2x Consensus First-Team All-American, Consensus National Player of the Year; NCAA Champion
    • In 15 years as a professional, he won 6 NBA Championships and lost none of them; 6x NBA Finals MVP
    • Avg. 30.1 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 5.3 apg, 2.3 spg, and 0.8 bpg in the NBA regular season; made 49.7% FGs, 32.7% 3-pt. FGs, 83.5% FTs
    • Avg. 33.4 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 5.7 apg, 2.1 spg, and 0.8 bpg in the NBA playoffs; made 48.7% FGs, 33.2% 3-pts., 82.8% FTs
    • 9x NBA All-Defensive First Team

    Lebron, 6'8", 250 lbs.:

    • In 15 years as a professional, he won 3 NBA Championships and lost 6 of them; 3x NBA Finals MVP
    • Avg. 27.2 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 7.2 apg, 1.6 spg, and 0.8 bpg in the NBA regular season; made 50.4% FGs, 34.4% 3-pts., 73.9% FTs
    • Avg. 28.9 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 7.1 apg, 1.8 apg, and 1.0 bpg in the NBA playoffs; made 49.1% FGs, 32.3% 3-pts., 74.3% FTs
    • 5x NBA All-Defensive First Team
  • Red_N_BlackRed_N_Black Posts: 353 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
    Other

    Let me get this straight. Because UGA football is out of season, we're gonna talk about basketball, which is also out of season...........uh.......OK then......in my opinion the greatest basketball player of all time is (as of yesterday) Travon Walker. GO DAWGS

  • pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 18,991 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Here are the guys Jordan played against in the 80s and 90s

    Magic
    Bird
    Barkley
    Hakeem
    Dominique
    I. Thomas
    Malone
    Kareem
    McHale
    Laimbeer
    Shaq
    Robinson
    Ewing
    Kemp
    Mullen
    Mutombo
    Drexler
    Stockton
    Pippen
    Olajuwon

    There is nothing like that the last 10 years in the NBA. The late 80’s to early 90’s were the heyday of the NBA.

  • Dawgy_FreshDawgy_Fresh Posts: 895 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Jordan

    I think it's Jordan but people think MJ is untouchable where I think it's super close.
    My top 10 in order:

    MJ
    Kareem
    LBJ
    Magic
    Big O
    Bird
    Wilt
    Bill
    the Dream
    Mamba

  • SoFL_DawgSoFL_Dawg Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Jordan

    @Dawgy_Fresh said:
    I think it's Jordan but people think MJ is untouchable where I think it's super close.
    My top 10 in order:

    MJ
    Kareem
    LBJ
    Magic
    Big O
    Bird
    Wilt
    Bill
    the Dream
    Mamba

    Great list. Kobe at 10 though? We could debate that. My list based on position, 2 deep.

    MJ
    Kareem
    LBJ
    Magic
    Duncan

    Kobe
    Russell
    Bird
    Wilt
    I. Thomas

  • SoFL_DawgSoFL_Dawg Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Jordan

    @pgjackson said:
    Here are the guys Jordan played against in the 80s and 90s

    Magic
    Bird
    Barkley
    Hakeem
    Dominique
    I. Thomas
    Malone
    Kareem
    McHale
    Laimbeer
    Shaq
    Robinson
    Ewing
    Kemp
    Mullen
    Mutombo
    Drexler
    Stockton
    Pippen
    Olajuwon

    There is nothing like that the last 10 years in the NBA. The late 80’s to early 90’s were the heyday of the NBA.

    Look how many HOF he kept from getting a ring. Never played a game 7...6-0 in finals, 6 MVPs.

  • judasdurantjudasdurant Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Lebron

    @pgjackson said:
    Here are the guys Jordan played against in the 80s and 90s

    Magic
    Bird
    Barkley
    Hakeem
    Dominique
    I. Thomas
    Malone
    Kareem
    McHale
    Laimbeer
    Shaq
    Robinson
    Ewing
    Kemp
    Mullen
    Mutombo
    Drexler
    Stockton
    Pippen
    Olajuwon

    There is nothing like that the last 10 years in the NBA. The late 80’s to early 90’s were the heyday of the NBA.

    I counter with
    Durant
    Duncan
    Iverson
    Tmac
    AD
    Curry
    Giannis
    Kobe
    Shaq
    Dwight
    Dwade
    Garnett
    Harden
    Westbrook
    Cp3
    Draymond green
    Klay Thompson
    Paul George
    Melo
    Derrick Rose
    Paul pierce
    Jason kid
    Steve Nash
    Dirk

    Gimme the bottom list over the top

  • Dawgy_FreshDawgy_Fresh Posts: 895 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Jordan

    @pgjackson said:

    @christopherules said:
    Anyone ever seen the list of NBA Hall of Fame players that were prevented from ever getting a championship ring because of Jordan being in their way???

    https://www.thesportster.com/basketball/top-15-nba-legends-michael-jordan-stole-a-ring-from/

    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23456720/is-lebron-james-michael-jordan-greatest-nba-player-all

    I just wrote and epic response regarding the 80's and early 90's NBA...but I got the "your post show up after being approved" nonsense which means it's gone forever. Anyway, the list of HOF players who were all active at the same time is staggering. And Jordan ruled them all. The NBA is nothing like it used to be. There are maybe 3-4 elite players right now. Kids are coming right out of HS or after one year of college. How tough can the competition be if 18 year old kids are starting?

    90s basketball is over rated. Not nearly as talented players in the league as they are today. The only position group that is better in the 90s than today is at center.

  • SoFL_DawgSoFL_Dawg Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Jordan

    @judasdurant fun list, but you you might be a prisoner of the moment. Some of those guys haven’t proved anything yet. Every one on top list is HOF. Your list contains players that may not have endured the physicality of yesteryear’s game. Fun to debate though.

    Tmac-never got out of 1st round
    AD-talented but injury prone and still young
    Giannis-too new too rate while talented
    Rose-flash in pan, injury prone
    Dwight-great defensive player, injury prone
    Melo-teams get better when he leaves

  • Dawgy_FreshDawgy_Fresh Posts: 895 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Jordan

    @judasdurant said:

    @pgjackson said:
    Here are the guys Jordan played against in the 80s and 90s

    Magic
    Bird
    Barkley
    Hakeem
    Dominique
    I. Thomas
    Malone
    Kareem
    McHale
    Laimbeer
    Shaq
    Robinson
    Ewing
    Kemp
    Mullen
    Mutombo
    Drexler
    Stockton
    Pippen
    Olajuwon

    There is nothing like that the last 10 years in the NBA. The late 80’s to early 90’s were the heyday of the NBA.

    I counter with
    Durant
    Duncan
    Iverson
    Tmac
    AD
    Curry
    Giannis
    Kobe
    Shaq
    Dwight
    Dwade
    Garnett
    Harden
    Westbrook
    Cp3
    Draymond green
    Klay Thompson
    Paul George
    Melo
    Derrick Rose
    Paul pierce
    Jason kid
    Steve Nash
    Dirk

    Gimme the bottom list over the top

    The 90s vs 00s

    PGs Todays PGs is stacked how it was stacked for C in the 90s

    Stockton, Payton, KJ, Tim Hardaway, Penny, Mark Price, young AI, Young Kidd, young Nash vs Steph, MVP Nash, Vet Kidd, older AI, CP3, Parker, Westbrook,

    SGs closest matchup

    MJ, Reggie, Clyde, Mitch, Dumars, Steve Smith vs Kobe, Dwade, Harden, Klay, Buttler, Beal, DeRozan, Tmac, Ray Allen

    SFs 00s destroys 90s

    Pippen, Mullen, old Nique, pre hurt Hill, Detlef, Worthy, Rice, Glen Robinson VS LBJ, KD, PG, Melo, Giannis, the Claw

    PFs Slight advantage 00s

    Malone, Barkley, Johnson, Oakley, Grant, Rodman, Kemp VS Timmy, KG, Dirk, Pao G, Pre hurt Bosh, AD,

    Centers 90s destroys 00s

    Akeem, Ewing, Robinson, Mourning, Shaq, Vlade, Smits vs Shaq, Dwight, Boogie, Gobert,

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