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Greatest basketball player of all time

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  • DamnYankeeDawgDamnYankeeDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Jordan

    @WCDawg said:

    @BamaDawg said:
    How do youbleave Larry Bird off that list?

    Bird is the #2 PF all time behind only Lebron.

    Bird > LeBron. If you go on stats, they're essentially the same through age 30. If you use actual game stats, Bird is slightly better than LeBron. If you use the 100 possession metric, LeBron wins out. I would argue that Bird was a much better passer than LeBron although LeBron holds the advantage on APG. Bird's assists were lower because the Celtic teams were great passing teams and not just one guy dishing the rock.

    Why is Bird better? Crunch time. Plus, he may have been the greatest **** talker in the history of the league. One example that captures both scenarios. Xavier McDaniel. I saw a highlight where he nailed a game winner over X. Not only did he tell X where he was going to take the game winning shot, he drained the bucket but was pissed because the clock showed 1 second remaining. In classic Bird fashion, he told X "****! I didn't mean to leave any time left on the clock."

    No PF better during the season or the playoffs than Bird at the position when it counted most during a game.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited July 2018
    Other

    @DamnYankeeDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @BamaDawg said:
    How do youbleave Larry Bird off that list?

    Bird is the #2 PF all time behind only Lebron.

    Bird > LeBron. If you go on stats, they're essentially the same through age 30. If you use actual game stats, Bird is slightly better than LeBron. If you use the 100 possession metric, LeBron wins out. I would argue that Bird was a much better passer than LeBron although LeBron holds the advantage on APG. Bird's assists were lower because the Celtic teams were great passing teams and not just one guy dishing the rock.

    Why is Bird better? Crunch time. Plus, he may have been the greatest **** talker in the history of the league. One example that captures both scenarios. Xavier McDaniel. I saw a highlight where he nailed a game winner over X. Not only did he tell X where he was going to take the game winning shot, he drained the bucket but was pissed because the clock showed 1 second remaining. In classic Bird fashion, he told X "****! I didn't mean to leave any time left on the clock."

    No PF better during the season or the playoffs than Bird at the position when it counted most during a game.

    Lebron has more assist because he serves as his teams' defacto PG on many possessions. Bird was the better passer though, that I'm sure of. Bird had the better basketball IQ, he was up there with Magic in that dept. Imagine Bird with Lebron's athletic gifts.

    I give Lebron the edge because he often physically takes over games in the clutch in a way almost nobody else ever has.

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  • SoFL_DawgSoFL_Dawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Jordan

    @DamnYankeeDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @BamaDawg said:
    How do youbleave Larry Bird off that list?

    Bird is the #2 PF all time behind only Lebron.

    Bird > LeBron. If you go on stats, they're essentially the same through age 30. If you use actual game stats, Bird is slightly better than LeBron. If you use the 100 possession metric, LeBron wins out. I would argue that Bird was a much better passer than LeBron although LeBron holds the advantage on APG. Bird's assists were lower because the Celtic teams were great passing teams and not just one guy dishing the rock.

    Why is Bird better? Crunch time. Plus, he may have been the greatest **** talker in the history of the league. One example that captures both scenarios. Xavier McDaniel. I saw a highlight where he nailed a game winner over X. Not only did he tell X where he was going to take the game winning shot, he drained the bucket but was pissed because the clock showed 1 second remaining. In classic Bird fashion, he told X "****! I didn't mean to leave any time left on the clock."

    No PF better during the season or the playoffs than Bird at the position when it counted most during a game.

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  • SoFL_DawgSoFL_Dawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Jordan

    @DamnYankeeDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @BamaDawg said:
    How do youbleave Larry Bird off that list?

    Bird is the #2 PF all time behind only Lebron.

    Bird > LeBron. If you go on stats, they're essentially the same through age 30. If you use actual game stats, Bird is slightly better than LeBron. If you use the 100 possession metric, LeBron wins out. I would argue that Bird was a much better passer than LeBron although LeBron holds the advantage on APG. Bird's assists were lower because the Celtic teams were great passing teams and not just one guy dishing the rock.

    Why is Bird better? Crunch time. Plus, he may have been the greatest **** talker in the history of the league. One example that captures both scenarios. Xavier McDaniel. I saw a highlight where he nailed a game winner over X. Not only did he tell X where he was going to take the game winning shot, he drained the bucket but was pissed because the clock showed 1 second remaining. In classic Bird fashion, he told X "****! I didn't mean to leave any time left on the clock."

    No PF better during the season or the playoffs than Bird at the position when it counted most during a game.

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  • bmauldinbmauldin ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Jordan

    Jordan as a scorer

    As an overwhelmingly dominant presence it has to be wilt and Shaq.

    When there are rules made because of you, that’s something special.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Other

    @bmauldin said:
    Jordan as a scorer

    As an overwhelmingly dominant presence it has to be wilt and Shaq.

    When there are rules made because of you, that’s something special.

    Bill Russell owned Wilt where it counted most.

    2 college national titles
    11 professional titles.
    The highest defensive rating in NBA history by almost double the scoee of the #2 guy.

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  • bmauldinbmauldin ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Jordan

    @WCDawg said:

    @bmauldin said:
    Jordan as a scorer

    As an overwhelmingly dominant presence it has to be wilt and Shaq.

    When there are rules made because of you, that’s something special.

    Bill Russell owned Wilt where it counted most.

    2 college national titles
    11 professional titles.
    The highest defensive rating in NBA history by almost double the scoee of the #2 guy.

    Russell was definitely great. Really nice guy. Got to see him in person. Dr j was as well.

    I didn’t bother them, but was able to see them interact with fans outside of the range of cameras, so it definitely didn’t seem fake.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Other

    @bmauldin said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @bmauldin said:
    Jordan as a scorer

    As an overwhelmingly dominant presence it has to be wilt and Shaq.

    When there are rules made because of you, that’s something special.

    Bill Russell owned Wilt where it counted most.

    2 college national titles
    11 professional titles.
    The highest defensive rating in NBA history by almost double the scoee of the #2 guy.

    Russell was definitely great. Really nice guy. Got to see him in person. Dr j was as well.

    I didn’t bother them, but was able to see them interact with fans outside of the range of cameras, so it definitely didn’t seem fake.

    Russell is articulate, extremely intelligent and very civic minded.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Other

    @12ed said:
    Tim Tebow

    T-Bob is also Jesus's #2 guy.

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  • pgjacksonpgjackson ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @PeachCoDawg said:
    If you really understand basketball, and take everything in to account and are old enough to at least be comparing 80s-now changes in personnel, rules changes, etc I don't even see how this could be an argument. Jordan. All day, all night.

    And not just in basketball. He might be the most dominant pro athlete of all time. Gretzky is right up there as was Montana and Brady is now. I’d put LeBron in this group, but Jordan is at the top.

    Jordan was great in basketball, he was never even a top amature in any other sport. Otto Graham was great at the highest level in multiple sports. I could list MANY athletes who were superior overall to MJ.

    I'm talking pro sports. Please don't start listing Michael Phelps or wrestler Alexander Karelin or some other Olympian with tons of gold medals. I'm talking major pro sports (football, basketball, baseball, tennis, hockey, golf...) Nobody dominated their sport the way MJ dominated the NBA.

    Jordan was really a one sport athlete compared to the truly versatile greats like Graham, Bo and Deon Sanders.

    You like to argue. I didn’t say he was the greatest multi-sport athlete. I said he dominated his professional sport unlike anyone else. Nobody has ever said “Bo Jackson or Deion Sanders was the greatest football player ever”. They were great multi-sport athletes, but they are on nobody’s All-Time Greatest list for baseball or football.

    Whether you're one of them or not I won't bother checking, but the claim has been made that Jordan is basically superior at other sports than basketball, he is not and never was.
    Sanders, Otto Graham, Elway, Ainge and MANY others were better at second sports than MJ was.

    Not me. He was definitely not a great multi-sport guy. But he dominated basketball like notbody ever dominated any sport.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Other

    @pgjackson said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @PeachCoDawg said:
    If you really understand basketball, and take everything in to account and are old enough to at least be comparing 80s-now changes in personnel, rules changes, etc I don't even see how this could be an argument. Jordan. All day, all night.

    And not just in basketball. He might be the most dominant pro athlete of all time. Gretzky is right up there as was Montana and Brady is now. I’d put LeBron in this group, but Jordan is at the top.

    Jordan was great in basketball, he was never even a top amature in any other sport. Otto Graham was great at the highest level in multiple sports. I could list MANY athletes who were superior overall to MJ.

    I'm talking pro sports. Please don't start listing Michael Phelps or wrestler Alexander Karelin or some other Olympian with tons of gold medals. I'm talking major pro sports (football, basketball, baseball, tennis, hockey, golf...) Nobody dominated their sport the way MJ dominated the NBA.

    Jordan was really a one sport athlete compared to the truly versatile greats like Graham, Bo and Deon Sanders.

    You like to argue. I didn’t say he was the greatest multi-sport athlete. I said he dominated his professional sport unlike anyone else. Nobody has ever said “Bo Jackson or Deion Sanders was the greatest football player ever”. They were great multi-sport athletes, but they are on nobody’s All-Time Greatest list for baseball or football.

    Whether you're one of them or not I won't bother checking, but the claim has been made that Jordan is basically superior at other sports than basketball, he is not and never was.
    Sanders, Otto Graham, Elway, Ainge and MANY others were better at second sports than MJ was.

    Not me. He was definitely not a great multi-sport guy. But he dominated basketball like notbody ever dominated any sport.

    How about Wayne Gretzky, or 13 time champion Bill Russell ?

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  • ugadawgs07ugadawgs07 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
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    Dominique Wilkins

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    Muggsey Bogues

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  • donmdonm ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Kasey said:
    Muggsey Bogues

    MVP in the Shire League.

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  • pgjacksonpgjackson ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @PeachCoDawg said:
    If you really understand basketball, and take everything in to account and are old enough to at least be comparing 80s-now changes in personnel, rules changes, etc I don't even see how this could be an argument. Jordan. All day, all night.

    And not just in basketball. He might be the most dominant pro athlete of all time. Gretzky is right up there as was Montana and Brady is now. I’d put LeBron in this group, but Jordan is at the top.

    Jordan was great in basketball, he was never even a top amature in any other sport. Otto Graham was great at the highest level in multiple sports. I could list MANY athletes who were superior overall to MJ.

    I'm talking pro sports. Please don't start listing Michael Phelps or wrestler Alexander Karelin or some other Olympian with tons of gold medals. I'm talking major pro sports (football, basketball, baseball, tennis, hockey, golf...) Nobody dominated their sport the way MJ dominated the NBA.

    Jordan was really a one sport athlete compared to the truly versatile greats like Graham, Bo and Deon Sanders.

    You like to argue. I didn’t say he was the greatest multi-sport athlete. I said he dominated his professional sport unlike anyone else. Nobody has ever said “Bo Jackson or Deion Sanders was the greatest football player ever”. They were great multi-sport athletes, but they are on nobody’s All-Time Greatest list for baseball or football.

    Whether you're one of them or not I won't bother checking, but the claim has been made that Jordan is basically superior at other sports than basketball, he is not and never was.
    Sanders, Otto Graham, Elway, Ainge and MANY others were better at second sports than MJ was.

    Not me. He was definitely not a great multi-sport guy. But he dominated basketball like notbody ever dominated any sport.

    How about Wayne Gretzky, or 13 time champion Bill Russell ?

    In an earlier post I listed Gretzky as someone on par with Jordan. I’ll put Tom Brady in that group as well.

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