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Thank you Reeldawg bro! He never gets mentioned in these types of conversations. Dude was one of the guys who changed the game.
How do youbleave Larry Bird off that list?
Jordan was really a one sport athlete compared to the truly versatile greats like Graham, Bo and Deon Sanders.
Bird is the #2 PF all time behind only Lebron.
He would be unguardable in any era, that will get you playing time.
While his strengths wouldn't be ideal for the motion offenses like GS runs. Those Celtics teams were the standard for a full court integrated passing and shooting offense.
You like to argue. I didn’t say he was the greatest multi-sport athlete. I said he dominated his professional sport unlike anyone else. Nobody has ever said “Bo Jackson or Deion Sanders was the greatest football player ever”. They were great multi-sport athletes, but they are on nobody’s All-Time Greatest list for baseball or football.
Prime TIme is often mentioned amongst the greatest CB's, I think. Bo's career was too short for him to be elevated to legend status. He is, though, one of the best all around athletes ever, in my experience.
Whether you're one of them or not I won't bother checking, but the claim has been made that Jordan is basically superior at other sports than basketball, he is not and never was.
Sanders, Otto Graham, Elway, Ainge and MANY others were better at second sports than MJ was.
Meadowlark Lemon
Hard to argue with that. Uncle Charlie/slider proved to be MJ's downfall in baseball.
Bird > LeBron. If you go on stats, they're essentially the same through age 30. If you use actual game stats, Bird is slightly better than LeBron. If you use the 100 possession metric, LeBron wins out. I would argue that Bird was a much better passer than LeBron although LeBron holds the advantage on APG. Bird's assists were lower because the Celtic teams were great passing teams and not just one guy dishing the rock.
Why is Bird better? Crunch time. Plus, he may have been the greatest **** talker in the history of the league. One example that captures both scenarios. Xavier McDaniel. I saw a highlight where he nailed a game winner over X. Not only did he tell X where he was going to take the game winning shot, he drained the bucket but was pissed because the clock showed 1 second remaining. In classic Bird fashion, he told X "****! I didn't mean to leave any time left on the clock."
No PF better during the season or the playoffs than Bird at the position when it counted most during a game.
Lebron has more assist because he serves as his teams' defacto PG on many possessions. Bird was the better passer though, that I'm sure of. Bird had the better basketball IQ, he was up there with Magic in that dept. Imagine Bird with Lebron's athletic gifts.
I give Lebron the edge because he often physically takes over games in the clutch in a way almost nobody else ever has.
Jordan as a scorer
As an overwhelmingly dominant presence it has to be wilt and Shaq.
When there are rules made because of you, that’s something special.
Bill Russell owned Wilt where it counted most.
2 college national titles
11 professional titles.
The highest defensive rating in NBA history by almost double the scoee of the #2 guy.
Russell was definitely great. Really nice guy. Got to see him in person. Dr j was as well.
I didn’t bother them, but was able to see them interact with fans outside of the range of cameras, so it definitely didn’t seem fake.
Russell is articulate, extremely intelligent and very civic minded.
T-Bob is also Jesus's #2 guy.
Not me. He was definitely not a great multi-sport guy. But he dominated basketball like notbody ever dominated any sport.