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Greatest basketball player of all time

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  • Dawgy_FreshDawgy_Fresh Posts: 895 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Jordan

    @SoFL_Dawg said:
    @judasdurant fun list, but you you might be a prisoner of the moment. Some of those guys haven’t proved anything yet. Every one on top list is HOF. Your list contains players that may not have endured the physicality of yesteryear’s game. Fun to debate though.

    Tmac-never got out of 1st round
    AD-talented but injury prone and still young
    Giannis-too new too rate while talented
    Rose-flash in pan, injury prone
    Dwight-great defensive player, injury prone
    Melo-teams get better when he leaves

    Dominique- injuries and barley made it out of 1st rd
    Laimbeer- is a joke dude averaged like 12 pts a game and basically was paid to take out players (not real defense)
    Kemp- too much cocaine
    Mutombo- only played defense

  • judasdurantjudasdurant Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Lebron

    @Dawgy_Fresh said:

    @judasdurant said:

    @pgjackson said:
    Here are the guys Jordan played against in the 80s and 90s

    Magic
    Bird
    Barkley
    Hakeem
    Dominique
    I. Thomas
    Malone
    Kareem
    McHale
    Laimbeer
    Shaq
    Robinson
    Ewing
    Kemp
    Mullen
    Mutombo
    Drexler
    Stockton
    Pippen
    Olajuwon

    There is nothing like that the last 10 years in the NBA. The late 80’s to early 90’s were the heyday of the NBA.

    I counter with
    Durant
    Duncan
    Iverson
    Tmac
    AD
    Curry
    Giannis
    Kobe
    Shaq
    Dwight
    Dwade
    Garnett
    Harden
    Westbrook
    Cp3
    Draymond green
    Klay Thompson
    Paul George
    Melo
    Derrick Rose
    Paul pierce
    Jason kid
    Steve Nash
    Dirk

    Gimme the bottom list over the top

    The 90s vs 00s

    PGs Todays PGs is stacked how it was stacked for C in the 90s

    Stockton, Payton, KJ, Tim Hardaway, Penny, Mark Price, young AI, Young Kidd, young Nash vs Steph, MVP Nash, Vet Kidd, older AI, CP3, Parker, Westbrook,

    SGs closest matchup

    MJ, Reggie, Clyde, Mitch, Dumars, Steve Smith vs Kobe, Dwade, Harden, Klay, Buttler, Beal, DeRozan, Tmac, Ray Allen

    SFs 00s destroys 90s

    Pippen, Mullen, old Nique, pre hurt Hill, Detlef, Worthy, Rice, Glen Robinson VS LBJ, KD, PG, Melo, Giannis, the Claw

    PFs Slight advantage 00s

    Malone, Barkley, Johnson, Oakley, Grant, Rodman, Kemp VS Timmy, KG, Dirk, Pao G, Pre hurt Bosh, AD,

    Centers 90s destroys 00s

    Akeem, Ewing, Robinson, Mourning, Shaq, Vlade, Smits vs Shaq, Dwight, Boogie, Gobert,

    Kat and Ayton could change that last part

  • pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 18,990 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @judasdurant said:

    @pgjackson said:
    Here are the guys Jordan played against in the 80s and 90s

    Magic
    Bird
    Barkley
    Hakeem
    Dominique
    I. Thomas
    Malone
    Kareem
    McHale
    Laimbeer
    Shaq
    Robinson
    Ewing
    Kemp
    Mullen
    Mutombo
    Drexler
    Stockton
    Pippen
    Olajuwon

    There is nothing like that the last 10 years in the NBA. The late 80’s to early 90’s were the heyday of the NBA.

    I counter with
    Durant
    Duncan
    Iverson
    Tmac
    AD
    Curry
    Giannis
    Kobe
    Shaq
    Dwight
    Dwade
    Garnett
    Harden
    Westbrook
    Cp3
    Draymond green
    Klay Thompson
    Paul George
    Melo
    Derrick Rose
    Paul pierce
    Jason kid
    Steve Nash
    Dirk

    Gimme the bottom list over the top

    Seriously? Don't even know who half those guys are. The guys I listed from the 80's and 90's practically defined the sport. Those are guys even people who never saw them play know who they are. I didn't even have to list a full name. You know who they are by one name.

    And how tough is the NBA now that kids are coming right out of HS or only one year of college and starting?

  • UnderDog68UnderDog68 Posts: 3,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Jordan....The first time I ever saw him take off from the free-throw line as an 18-year-old freshman at UNC and dunk the ball over Ralph Sampson, I was hooked as a fan.

  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @UnderDog68 said:
    Jordan....The first time I ever saw him take off from the free-throw line as an 18-year-old freshman at UNC and dunk the ball over Ralph Sampson, I was hooked as a fan.

    I have read, and kind of believe, that no BB player has truly dunked while taking off behind or on the FT line. Most often, they have a bit of their foot past the line. That's a 15' one legged long jump...kind of like from the triple jump. Some have come relatively close but I'd have to see actual game footage to believe it's been done. Kind of nit picky on my part, but I;m a myth debunker fan from way back.

  • judasdurantjudasdurant Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Lebron

    @pgjackson said:

    @judasdurant said:

    @pgjackson said:
    Here are the guys Jordan played against in the 80s and 90s

    Magic
    Bird
    Barkley
    Hakeem
    Dominique
    I. Thomas
    Malone
    Kareem
    McHale
    Laimbeer
    Shaq
    Robinson
    Ewing
    Kemp
    Mullen
    Mutombo
    Drexler
    Stockton
    Pippen
    Olajuwon

    There is nothing like that the last 10 years in the NBA. The late 80’s to early 90’s were the heyday of the NBA.

    I counter with
    Durant
    Duncan
    Iverson
    Tmac
    AD
    Curry
    Giannis
    Kobe
    Shaq
    Dwight
    Dwade
    Garnett
    Harden
    Westbrook
    Cp3
    Draymond green
    Klay Thompson
    Paul George
    Melo
    Derrick Rose
    Paul pierce
    Jason kid
    Steve Nash
    Dirk

    Gimme the bottom list over the top

    Seriously? Don't even know who half those guys are. The guys I listed from the 80's and 90's practically defined the sport. Those are guys even people who never saw them play know who they are. I didn't even have to list a full name. You know who they are by one name.

    And how tough is the NBA now that kids are coming right out of HS or only one year of college and starting?

    You just came in with a list that included Kevin Mchale and are saying that the NBA players i posted are irrelevant. I didn’t have to put a full name for any of those players, i just did it for a couple. And straight to the pros from high school has been happening since Moses Malone in 1974

  • UnderDog68UnderDog68 Posts: 3,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited July 2018

    @donm said:

    @UnderDog68 said:
    Jordan....The first time I ever saw him take off from the free-throw line as an 18-year-old freshman at UNC and dunk the ball over Ralph Sampson, I was hooked as a fan.

    I have read, and kind of believe, that no BB player has truly dunked while taking off behind or on the FT line. Most often, they have a bit of their foot past the line. That's a 15' one legged long jump...kind of like from the triple jump. Some have come relatively close but I'd have to see actual game footage to believe it's been done. Kind of nit picky on my part, but I;m a myth debunker fan from way back.

    I don't remember paying attention to whether or not he was exactly behind the line or not, but it was certainly long enough of a jump to make my jaw drop, being only 14 and a basketball player myself at that time. And it was over a guy...Sampson...who was what? 7-2? All I remember is, Jordan got a pass on a fast break, drove down, took off like a rocket, and dunked the ball over him. It was in the ACC tournament that year, if I remember correctly, and Jordan was at full speed when he took off on the jump.

  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @UnderDog68 said:

    @donm said:

    @UnderDog68 said:
    Jordan....The first time I ever saw him take off from the free-throw line as an 18-year-old freshman at UNC and dunk the ball over Ralph Sampson, I was hooked as a fan.

    I have read, and kind of believe, that no BB player has truly dunked while taking off behind or on the FT line. Most often, they have a bit of their foot past the line. That's a 15' one legged long jump...kind of like from the triple jump. Some have come relatively close but I'd have to see actual game footage to believe it's been done. Kind of nit picky on my part, but I;m a myth debunker fan from way back.

    I don't remember paying attention to whether or not he was exactly behind the line or not, but it was certainly long enough of a jump to make my jaw drop, being only 14 and a basketball player myself at that time. And it was over a guy...Sampson...who was what? 7-2? All I remember is, Jordan got a pass on a fast break, drove down, took off like a rocket, and dunked the ball over him. It was in the ACC tournament that year, if I remember correctly, and Jordan was at full speed when he took off on the jump.

    Sure didn't mean to "lessen" his achievement by any means. I admit I was being a nit picker. He's my favorite too and my choice for best ever.

  • jgf1031jgf1031 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Jordan

    @donm said:

    @UnderDog68 said:
    Jordan....The first time I ever saw him take off from the free-throw line as an 18-year-old freshman at UNC and dunk the ball over Ralph Sampson, I was hooked as a fan.

    I have read, and kind of believe, that no BB player has truly dunked while taking off behind or on the FT line. Most often, they have a bit of their foot past the line. That's a 15' one legged long jump...kind of like from the triple jump. Some have come relatively close but I'd have to see actual game footage to believe it's been done. Kind of nit picky on my part, but I;m a myth debunker fan from way back.

    Jordan's heal was on the line so, no, it wasn't a true free throw dunk. BUT it sure was pretty. I used to have a poster of him mid-flight on that dunk. Looked like he was 10 feet in the air the entire way. AWESOME.

  • SoFL_DawgSoFL_Dawg Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Jordan

    @judasdurant said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @judasdurant said:

    @pgjackson said:
    Here are the guys Jordan played against in the 80s and 90s

    Magic
    Bird
    Barkley
    Hakeem
    Dominique
    I. Thomas
    Malone
    Kareem
    McHale
    Laimbeer
    Shaq
    Robinson
    Ewing
    Kemp
    Mullen
    Mutombo
    Drexler
    Stockton
    Pippen
    Olajuwon

    There is nothing like that the last 10 years in the NBA. The late 80’s to early 90’s were the heyday of the NBA.

    I counter with
    Durant
    Duncan
    Iverson
    Tmac
    AD
    Curry
    Giannis
    Kobe
    Shaq
    Dwight
    Dwade
    Garnett
    Harden
    Westbrook
    Cp3
    Draymond green
    Klay Thompson
    Paul George
    Melo
    Derrick Rose
    Paul pierce
    Jason kid
    Steve Nash
    Dirk

    Gimme the bottom list over the top

    Seriously? Don't even know who half those guys are. The guys I listed from the 80's and 90's practically defined the sport. Those are guys even people who never saw them play know who they are. I didn't even have to list a full name. You know who they are by one name.

    And how tough is the NBA now that kids are coming right out of HS or only one year of college and starting?

    You just came in with a list that included Kevin Mchale and are saying that the NBA players i posted are irrelevant. I didn’t have to put a full name for any of those players, i just did it for a couple. And straight to the pros from high school has been happening since Moses Malone in 1974

    Butting in here but Mchale is considered a top 5 PF in history of the game by other players. Barkley considers him the best for example.

    I would say Duncan, K. Malone, M. Malone, Mchale, Barkley in that order.

  • VALDOSTADAWGVALDOSTADAWG Posts: 1,468 mod
    Lebron

    @SoFL_Dawg said:

    @judasdurant said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @judasdurant said:

    @pgjackson said:
    Here are the guys Jordan played against in the 80s and 90s

    Magic
    Bird
    Barkley
    Hakeem
    Dominique
    I. Thomas
    Malone
    Kareem
    McHale
    Laimbeer
    Shaq
    Robinson
    Ewing
    Kemp
    Mullen
    Mutombo
    Drexler
    Stockton
    Pippen
    Olajuwon

    There is nothing like that the last 10 years in the NBA. The late 80’s to early 90’s were the heyday of the NBA.

    I counter with
    Durant
    Duncan
    Iverson
    Tmac
    AD
    Curry
    Giannis
    Kobe
    Shaq
    Dwight
    Dwade
    Garnett
    Harden
    Westbrook
    Cp3
    Draymond green
    Klay Thompson
    Paul George
    Melo
    Derrick Rose
    Paul pierce
    Jason kid
    Steve Nash
    Dirk

    Gimme the bottom list over the top

    Seriously? Don't even know who half those guys are. The guys I listed from the 80's and 90's practically defined the sport. Those are guys even people who never saw them play know who they are. I didn't even have to list a full name. You know who they are by one name.

    And how tough is the NBA now that kids are coming right out of HS or only one year of college and starting?

    You just came in with a list that included Kevin Mchale and are saying that the NBA players i posted are irrelevant. I didn’t have to put a full name for any of those players, i just did it for a couple. And straight to the pros from high school has been happening since Moses Malone in 1974

    Butting in here but Mchale is considered a top 5 PF in history of the game by other players. Barkley considers him the best for example.

    I would say Duncan, K. Malone, M. Malone, Mchale, Barkley in that order.

    Mchale also had an 8ft wingspan lol

  • Dawgy_FreshDawgy_Fresh Posts: 895 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Jordan

    @SoFL_Dawg said:

    @judasdurant said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @judasdurant said:

    @pgjackson said:
    Here are the guys Jordan played against in the 80s and 90s

    Magic
    Bird
    Barkley
    Hakeem
    Dominique
    I. Thomas
    Malone
    Kareem
    McHale
    Laimbeer
    Shaq
    Robinson
    Ewing
    Kemp
    Mullen
    Mutombo
    Drexler
    Stockton
    Pippen
    Olajuwon

    There is nothing like that the last 10 years in the NBA. The late 80’s to early 90’s were the heyday of the NBA.

    I counter with
    Durant
    Duncan
    Iverson
    Tmac
    AD
    Curry
    Giannis
    Kobe
    Shaq
    Dwight
    Dwade
    Garnett
    Harden
    Westbrook
    Cp3
    Draymond green
    Klay Thompson
    Paul George
    Melo
    Derrick Rose
    Paul pierce
    Jason kid
    Steve Nash
    Dirk

    Gimme the bottom list over the top

    Seriously? Don't even know who half those guys are. The guys I listed from the 80's and 90's practically defined the sport. Those are guys even people who never saw them play know who they are. I didn't even have to list a full name. You know who they are by one name.

    And how tough is the NBA now that kids are coming right out of HS or only one year of college and starting?

    You just came in with a list that included Kevin Mchale and are saying that the NBA players i posted are irrelevant. I didn’t have to put a full name for any of those players, i just did it for a couple. And straight to the pros from high school has been happening since Moses Malone in 1974

    Butting in here but Mchale is considered a top 5 PF in history of the game by other players. Barkley considers him the best for example.

    I would say Duncan, K. Malone, M. Malone, Mchale, Barkley in that order.

    I think Michael is a top 10 PF but I’d put KG, Dirk, Elgin Baylor and Hayes over Mchale.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Other

    @Dawgy_Fresh said:

    @SoFL_Dawg said:
    @judasdurant fun list, but you you might be a prisoner of the moment. Some of those guys haven’t proved anything yet. Every one on top list is HOF. Your list contains players that may not have endured the physicality of yesteryear’s game. Fun to debate though.

    Tmac-never got out of 1st round
    AD-talented but injury prone and still young
    Giannis-too new too rate while talented
    Rose-flash in pan, injury prone
    Dwight-great defensive player, injury prone
    Melo-teams get better when he leaves

    Dominique- injuries and barley made it out of 1st rd
    Laimbeer- is a joke dude averaged like 12 pts a game and basically was paid to take out players (not real defense)
    Kemp- too much cocaine
    Mutombo- only played defense

    Nique had a glaring flaw, he wasn't a smart or even a willing passer.
    He was far too easy to defend when the ball went to him, a defense could triple team him and he still wouldn't pass to a open teammate.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited July 2018
    Other

    Just posting a laundry list of players sort of defeats the idea of a thread like this.
    Name your choice as best all time, 20 players can't all be #1.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Other

    @VALDOSTADAWG said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @VALDOSTADAWG said:
    @WCDawg
    But you will agree that talent overall has gotten extremely better. Three pointers being such a big part of the game nowadays. Rebound King? Sure.. GOAT? Doubtful.

    I know 11 rings or something like that.

    Watch the 11 second video I mentioned if you have doubts about his supreme athletic ability. He was the fastest and most agile big ever. That and he was hands down the smartest big defender ever.

    Impressive, but wasn't that Michael J Fox (not wolf mode) guarding him?

    It was one of the minor smurfs.

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