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Reason for Jake Fromm’s regression???

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  • levanderlevander Posts: 4,481 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @levander said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @PerroGrande said:
    A better explanation is that after a kid sees some success, people begin to respect and study him for weaknesses. They develop the "book" on him. Teams thought Jake couldn't throw last year, and that ended up being wrong. It really helped us and Jake. This year, they are starting to find some weaknesses. Jake has to answer those probes into his weaker areas by burning opposing DCs. Grantham wants him running for his life all afternoon. If he can hit a few big plays, taking advantage of the missing LBs/DBs, he'll be back in the groove. If he can't deal with it, we might see Fields. His legs present a totally different problem.

    I don't buy that at all.

    That post was rude as ****. Nobody cares what you buy. Nobody was trying to sell you anything.

    Sorry lady, get back in the kitchen.

    Now that response was actually called for. I’ve managed to get you back in your comfort zone.

  • Carlson231Carlson231 Posts: 19 ✭ Freshman

    He isn’t regressing. He has good stats on the year, just had a bad game against LSU.

  • PharmDawg2054PharmDawg2054 Posts: 3,930 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Fromm had a terrible game against LSU, that is no doubt

    As others have mentioned on this same thread.... I personally do not think he has "regressed" but rather that he has not progressed this season to the level that we would like to see, but at the same time he is still a top tier SEC quarterback at this moment in time. Other than Tua there is not another QB in the SEC that I would rather have than Fromm or that I think is better than Fromm. So, while he may not have progressed as much as we would like, he has far from regressed or been terrible. (besides the LSU game.... that was terrible)

    He has looked comfortable in the pocket and has done a good job of having pocket awareness that has allowed for him to shed some tackles by either stepping up in the pocket or leaving the pocket

    His biggest downfalls this year that it is hard to disagree with is the fact that he is simply holding onto the ball for too long. If receivers are not open then either get rid of it or pick us up a few yards on your feet... but don't take the sack. The offensive line is giving him plenty of time to make these decisions, but seems he is making the wrong ones at times.

    I believe Fromm may also be worried about Fields lurking over his shoulder and he wants receiver openings to be perfect so as to not make mistakes, leaving him to holding onto the ball longer

    That being said receivers have been running the wrong routes and there have been a few crucial dropped passes.

    I as well expected to see Fromm take a large step forward this year and even compete for the Heisman. Fromm is not a Heisman trophy candidate this year that is for sure... but saying he "regressed" would be wrong in my personal opinion

    If you do think the he has regressed then I would be curious if Coley being the QB coach was not the ideal move

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @PharmDawg2054 said:
    Fromm had a terrible game against LSU, that is no doubt

    As others have mentioned on this same thread.... I personally do not think he has "regressed" but rather that he has not progressed this season to the level that we would like to see, but at the same time he is still a top tier SEC quarterback at this moment in time. Other than Tua there is not another QB in the SEC that I would rather have than Fromm or that I think is better than Fromm. So, while he may not have progressed as much as we would like, he has far from regressed or been terrible. (besides the LSU game.... that was terrible)

    He has looked comfortable in the pocket and has done a good job of having pocket awareness that has allowed for him to shed some tackles by either stepping up in the pocket or leaving the pocket

    His biggest downfalls this year that it is hard to disagree with is the fact that he is simply holding onto the ball for too long. If receivers are not open then either get rid of it or pick us up a few yards on your feet... but don't take the sack. The offensive line is giving him plenty of time to make these decisions, but seems he is making the wrong ones at times.

    I believe Fromm may also be worried about Fields lurking over his shoulder and he wants receiver openings to be perfect so as to not make mistakes, leaving him to holding onto the ball longer

    That being said receivers have been running the wrong routes and there have been a few crucial dropped passes.

    I as well expected to see Fromm take a large step forward this year and even compete for the Heisman. Fromm is not a Heisman trophy candidate this year that is for sure... but saying he "regressed" would be wrong in my personal opinion

    If you do think the he has regressed then I would be curious if Coley being the QB coach was not the ideal move

    Call it a regression, call it a glitch, a slump, whatever.

    He is definitely having problems in some areas where he shined last season.

    1. Processing options. He is not as fluid and decisive.
    2. Deep throws, his timing and accuracy downfield has not been nearly as consistent as last season.

    I think if Kirby is intent on getting the best results putting Chaney back as Jake's QB coach during this 2 week down period would have been a wise move.

  • mleemlee Posts: 721 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Blame the coaches, receivers, or the Oline but you can’t blame Fields. He isn’t on the field when Fromm is playing and has to this point been a team player. Fromm had bad game and so did the rest of the team. Let’s hope they all play better this week.

  • levanderlevander Posts: 4,481 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @mlee said:
    Blame the coaches, receivers, or the Oline but you can’t blame Fields. He isn’t on the field when Fromm is playing and has to this point been a team player. Fromm had bad game and so did the rest of the team. Let’s hope they all play better this week.

    It’s weird to me too everyone is blaming the passing game purely on Fromm. The receivers aren’t doing as well as they did last year either. Mecole is at least as bad as he was at the beginning of last year with dropping balls. Ridley is probably as solid. But they’re not really throwing him the ball as much as they should be, this year or last. So we don’t really know. Godwin has been hurt. Nauta has had a couple of big drops this year. I remember some drop’s Swift has made that have been disappointing. Kirby has complained in press conferences about receivers running the wrong routes.

    And when it’s a team wide problem, you looking at the coaching.

    Now, WCDawg’s theory about the problem being them switching QB coaches on Jake does fit in with that observation, So I’ll insert it here so maybe he doesn’t feel like he has to do it himself, again.

    I personally prefer Griff’s idea that there are just so many receivers on the Bulldog roster getting practice reps, that Jake hasn’t developed as good of chemistry with any of them.

    You guys who are always running to the stat sheet, is there a stat kept on the number of times a receiver has dropped a ball he should have caught? Kind of like fielding errors in baseball. I can’t imagine there’s a stat on running the wrong route. No way for the scorekeeper to know what the route should have been.

  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @levander said:

    @mlee said:
    Blame the coaches, receivers, or the Oline but you can’t blame Fields. He isn’t on the field when Fromm is playing and has to this point been a team player. Fromm had bad game and so did the rest of the team. Let’s hope they all play better this week.

    It’s weird to me too everyone is blaming the passing game purely on Fromm. The receivers aren’t doing as well as they did last year either. Mecole is at least as bad as he was at the beginning of last year with dropping balls. Ridley is probably as solid. But they’re not really throwing him the ball as much as they should be, this year or last. So we don’t really know. Godwin has been hurt. Nauta has had a couple of big drops this year. I remember some drop’s Swift has made that have been disappointing. Kirby has complained in press conferences about receivers running the wrong routes.

    And when it’s a team wide problem, you looking at the coaching.

    Now, WCDawg’s theory about the problem being them switching QB coaches on Jake does fit in with that observation, So I’ll insert it here so maybe he doesn’t feel like he has to do it himself, again.

    I personally prefer Griff’s idea that there are just so many receivers on the Bulldog roster getting practice reps, that Jake hasn’t developed as good of chemistry with any of them.

    You guys who are always running to the stat sheet, is there a stat kept on the number of times a receiver has dropped a ball he should have caught? Kind of like fielding errors in baseball. I can’t imagine there’s a stat on running the wrong route. No way for the scorekeeper to know what the route should have been.

    excellent point. No way to know who's messing up - running the wrong route would cause a QB to hesitate...sound familiar? Also, there should be a stat like ERA in baseball where drops wouldn't count against a QB"s rating just like unearned runs don't count against a pitchers ERA. To me, those would be useful stats. Maybe we can get Kirby to hire one more "analyst" to do this kind of thing for the forum?

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @levander said:

    @mlee said:
    Blame the coaches, receivers, or the Oline but you can’t blame Fields. He isn’t on the field when Fromm is playing and has to this point been a team player. Fromm had bad game and so did the rest of the team. Let’s hope they all play better this week.

    It’s weird to me too everyone is blaming the passing game purely on Fromm. The receivers aren’t doing as well as they did last year either. Mecole is at least as bad as he was at the beginning of last year with dropping balls. Ridley is probably as solid. But they’re not really throwing him the ball as much as they should be, this year or last. So we don’t really know. Godwin has been hurt. Nauta has had a couple of big drops this year. I remember some drop’s Swift has made that have been disappointing. Kirby has complained in press conferences about receivers running the wrong routes.

    And when it’s a team wide problem, you looking at the coaching.

    Now, WCDawg’s theory about the problem being them switching QB coaches on Jake does fit in with that observation, So I’ll insert it here so maybe he doesn’t feel like he has to do it himself, again.

    I personally prefer Griff’s idea that there are just so many receivers on the Bulldog roster getting practice reps, that Jake hasn’t developed as good of chemistry with any of them.

    You guys who are always running to the stat sheet, is there a stat kept on the number of times a receiver has dropped a ball he should have caught? Kind of like fielding errors in baseball. I can’t imagine there’s a stat on running the wrong route. No way for the scorekeeper to know what the route should have been.

    so he doesn't feel like he has to do it himself.....again. a bit of spacing before a word can drive the point home, you're welcome.

  • christopheruleschristopherules Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Kasey said:
    Step away from the computer! College kids are allowed to have bad games. Does your boss fire you when you have a bad day at work and check your social media excessively looking for clues?

    Sheesh...if Jake has a career day against Florida some of y’all need to come back here and apologize

    @Kasey Thank you SIR!!! This IS HANDS DOWN THE BEST POST OF THE WEEK in the DawgNation Forum!!!

  • dawgnmsdawgnms Posts: 5,378 mod

    @PharmDawg2054 said:
    Fromm had a terrible game against LSU, that is no doubt

    As others have mentioned on this same thread.... I personally do not think he has "regressed" but rather that he has not progressed this season to the level that we would like to see, but at the same time he is still a top tier SEC quarterback at this moment in time. Other than Tua there is not another QB in the SEC that I would rather have than Fromm or that I think is better than Fromm. So, while he may not have progressed as much as we would like, he has far from regressed or been terrible. (besides the LSU game.... that was terrible)

    He has looked comfortable in the pocket and has done a good job of having pocket awareness that has allowed for him to shed some tackles by either stepping up in the pocket or leaving the pocket

    His biggest downfalls this year that it is hard to disagree with is the fact that he is simply holding onto the ball for too long. If receivers are not open then either get rid of it or pick us up a few yards on your feet... but don't take the sack. The offensive line is giving him plenty of time to make these decisions, but seems he is making the wrong ones at times.

    I believe Fromm may also be worried about Fields lurking over his shoulder and he wants receiver openings to be perfect so as to not make mistakes, leaving him to holding onto the ball longer

    That being said receivers have been running the wrong routes and there have been a few crucial dropped passes.

    I as well expected to see Fromm take a large step forward this year and even compete for the Heisman. Fromm is not a Heisman trophy candidate this year that is for sure... but saying he "regressed" would be wrong in my personal opinion

    If you do think the he has regressed then I would be curious if Coley being the QB coach was not the ideal move

    So you say having him competing for the Heisman this year and he certainly is not how can that not be "regression"

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @dawgnms said:

    @PharmDawg2054 said:
    Fromm had a terrible game against LSU, that is no doubt

    As others have mentioned on this same thread.... I personally do not think he has "regressed" but rather that he has not progressed this season to the level that we would like to see, but at the same time he is still a top tier SEC quarterback at this moment in time. Other than Tua there is not another QB in the SEC that I would rather have than Fromm or that I think is better than Fromm. So, while he may not have progressed as much as we would like, he has far from regressed or been terrible. (besides the LSU game.... that was terrible)

    He has looked comfortable in the pocket and has done a good job of having pocket awareness that has allowed for him to shed some tackles by either stepping up in the pocket or leaving the pocket

    His biggest downfalls this year that it is hard to disagree with is the fact that he is simply holding onto the ball for too long. If receivers are not open then either get rid of it or pick us up a few yards on your feet... but don't take the sack. The offensive line is giving him plenty of time to make these decisions, but seems he is making the wrong ones at times.

    I believe Fromm may also be worried about Fields lurking over his shoulder and he wants receiver openings to be perfect so as to not make mistakes, leaving him to holding onto the ball longer

    That being said receivers have been running the wrong routes and there have been a few crucial dropped passes.

    I as well expected to see Fromm take a large step forward this year and even compete for the Heisman. Fromm is not a Heisman trophy candidate this year that is for sure... but saying he "regressed" would be wrong in my personal opinion

    If you do think the he has regressed then I would be curious if Coley being the QB coach was not the ideal move

    So you say having him competing for the Heisman this year and he certainly is not how can that not be "regression"

    You may be confusing a lack of a level of progression with regression, at least your post suggests as much.
    I do see specific regression, but some progress as well. He has used his playmakers in space better in most games this year for one thing.
    He needs to play more fluid/relaxed, he needs do make some decisions quicker and he needs to be more on time and accurate downfield. I think everything ties into not being relaxed and maybe not as confident, which I think has a lot to do with coaching changes and having to compete for a job every practice.

    Think of other jobs where you train, you get a position, then you try to relax, focus and improve from day to day.

    A certain amount of trust and security is important at the position.

  • dawgnmsdawgnms Posts: 5,378 mod

    @WCDawg said:

    @dawgnms said:

    @PharmDawg2054 said:
    Fromm had a terrible game against LSU, that is no doubt

    As others have mentioned on this same thread.... I personally do not think he has "regressed" but rather that he has not progressed this season to the level that we would like to see, but at the same time he is still a top tier SEC quarterback at this moment in time. Other than Tua there is not another QB in the SEC that I would rather have than Fromm or that I think is better than Fromm. So, while he may not have progressed as much as we would like, he has far from regressed or been terrible. (besides the LSU game.... that was terrible)

    He has looked comfortable in the pocket and has done a good job of having pocket awareness that has allowed for him to shed some tackles by either stepping up in the pocket or leaving the pocket

    His biggest downfalls this year that it is hard to disagree with is the fact that he is simply holding onto the ball for too long. If receivers are not open then either get rid of it or pick us up a few yards on your feet... but don't take the sack. The offensive line is giving him plenty of time to make these decisions, but seems he is making the wrong ones at times.

    I believe Fromm may also be worried about Fields lurking over his shoulder and he wants receiver openings to be perfect so as to not make mistakes, leaving him to holding onto the ball longer

    That being said receivers have been running the wrong routes and there have been a few crucial dropped passes.

    I as well expected to see Fromm take a large step forward this year and even compete for the Heisman. Fromm is not a Heisman trophy candidate this year that is for sure... but saying he "regressed" would be wrong in my personal opinion

    If you do think the he has regressed then I would be curious if Coley being the QB coach was not the ideal move

    So you say having him competing for the Heisman this year and he certainly is not how can that not be "regression"

    You may be confusing a lack of a level of progression with regression, at least your post suggests as much.
    I do see specific regression, but some progress as well. He has used his playmakers in space better in most games this year for one thing.
    He needs to play more fluid/relaxed, he needs do make some decisions quicker and he needs to be more on time and accurate downfield. I think everything ties into not being relaxed and maybe not as confident, which I think has a lot to do with coaching changes and having to compete for a job every practice.

    Think of other jobs where you train, you get a position, then you try to relax, focus and improve from day to day.

    A certain amount of trust and security is important at the position.

    I think you are the one confused...........

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @dawgnms said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @dawgnms said:

    @PharmDawg2054 said:
    Fromm had a terrible game against LSU, that is no doubt

    As others have mentioned on this same thread.... I personally do not think he has "regressed" but rather that he has not progressed this season to the level that we would like to see, but at the same time he is still a top tier SEC quarterback at this moment in time. Other than Tua there is not another QB in the SEC that I would rather have than Fromm or that I think is better than Fromm. So, while he may not have progressed as much as we would like, he has far from regressed or been terrible. (besides the LSU game.... that was terrible)

    He has looked comfortable in the pocket and has done a good job of having pocket awareness that has allowed for him to shed some tackles by either stepping up in the pocket or leaving the pocket

    His biggest downfalls this year that it is hard to disagree with is the fact that he is simply holding onto the ball for too long. If receivers are not open then either get rid of it or pick us up a few yards on your feet... but don't take the sack. The offensive line is giving him plenty of time to make these decisions, but seems he is making the wrong ones at times.

    I believe Fromm may also be worried about Fields lurking over his shoulder and he wants receiver openings to be perfect so as to not make mistakes, leaving him to holding onto the ball longer

    That being said receivers have been running the wrong routes and there have been a few crucial dropped passes.

    I as well expected to see Fromm take a large step forward this year and even compete for the Heisman. Fromm is not a Heisman trophy candidate this year that is for sure... but saying he "regressed" would be wrong in my personal opinion

    If you do think the he has regressed then I would be curious if Coley being the QB coach was not the ideal move

    So you say having him competing for the Heisman this year and he certainly is not how can that not be "regression"

    You may be confusing a lack of a level of progression with regression, at least your post suggests as much.
    I do see specific regression, but some progress as well. He has used his playmakers in space better in most games this year for one thing.
    He needs to play more fluid/relaxed, he needs do make some decisions quicker and he needs to be more on time and accurate downfield. I think everything ties into not being relaxed and maybe not as confident, which I think has a lot to do with coaching changes and having to compete for a job every practice.

    Think of other jobs where you train, you get a position, then you try to relax, focus and improve from day to day.

    A certain amount of trust and security is important at the position.

    I think you are the one confused...........

    Not at all, not becoming a Heisman candidate isn't a regression, that much should be obvious, even to Auburn fans.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @dawgnms said:

    @PharmDawg2054 said:
    Fromm had a terrible game against LSU, that is no doubt

    As others have mentioned on this same thread.... I personally do not think he has "regressed" but rather that he has not progressed this season to the level that we would like to see, but at the same time he is still a top tier SEC quarterback at this moment in time. Other than Tua there is not another QB in the SEC that I would rather have than Fromm or that I think is better than Fromm. So, while he may not have progressed as much as we would like, he has far from regressed or been terrible. (besides the LSU game.... that was terrible)

    He has looked comfortable in the pocket and has done a good job of having pocket awareness that has allowed for him to shed some tackles by either stepping up in the pocket or leaving the pocket

    His biggest downfalls this year that it is hard to disagree with is the fact that he is simply holding onto the ball for too long. If receivers are not open then either get rid of it or pick us up a few yards on your feet... but don't take the sack. The offensive line is giving him plenty of time to make these decisions, but seems he is making the wrong ones at times.

    I believe Fromm may also be worried about Fields lurking over his shoulder and he wants receiver openings to be perfect so as to not make mistakes, leaving him to holding onto the ball longer

    That being said receivers have been running the wrong routes and there have been a few crucial dropped passes.

    I as well expected to see Fromm take a large step forward this year and even compete for the Heisman. Fromm is not a Heisman trophy candidate this year that is for sure... but saying he "regressed" would be wrong in my personal opinion

    If you do think the he has regressed then I would be curious if Coley being the QB coach was not the ideal move

    So you say having him competing for the Heisman this year and he certainly is not how can that not be "regression"

    You're confusing expectations with the baseline, which is where Jake was at the end of last season. He was trending in the right direction, but he wasn't at that level yet, he didn't have to regress to not be at a level he hadn't obtained.

  • dawgnmsdawgnms Posts: 5,378 mod

    @WCDawg said:

    @dawgnms said:

    @PharmDawg2054 said:
    Fromm had a terrible game against LSU, that is no doubt

    As others have mentioned on this same thread.... I personally do not think he has "regressed" but rather that he has not progressed this season to the level that we would like to see, but at the same time he is still a top tier SEC quarterback at this moment in time. Other than Tua there is not another QB in the SEC that I would rather have than Fromm or that I think is better than Fromm. So, while he may not have progressed as much as we would like, he has far from regressed or been terrible. (besides the LSU game.... that was terrible)

    He has looked comfortable in the pocket and has done a good job of having pocket awareness that has allowed for him to shed some tackles by either stepping up in the pocket or leaving the pocket

    His biggest downfalls this year that it is hard to disagree with is the fact that he is simply holding onto the ball for too long. If receivers are not open then either get rid of it or pick us up a few yards on your feet... but don't take the sack. The offensive line is giving him plenty of time to make these decisions, but seems he is making the wrong ones at times.

    I believe Fromm may also be worried about Fields lurking over his shoulder and he wants receiver openings to be perfect so as to not make mistakes, leaving him to holding onto the ball longer

    That being said receivers have been running the wrong routes and there have been a few crucial dropped passes.

    I as well expected to see Fromm take a large step forward this year and even compete for the Heisman. Fromm is not a Heisman trophy candidate this year that is for sure... but saying he "regressed" would be wrong in my personal opinion

    If you do think the he has regressed then I would be curious if Coley being the QB coach was not the ideal move

    So you say having him competing for the Heisman this year and he certainly is not how can that not be "regression"

    You're confusing expectations with the baseline, which is where Jake was at the end of last season. He was trending in the right direction, but he wasn't at that level yet, he didn't have to regress to not be at a level he hadn't obtained.

    let me rephrase that........I think you are dazed and confused

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