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Reason for Jake Fromm’s regression???

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @dawgnms said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @dawgnms said:

    @PharmDawg2054 said:
    Fromm had a terrible game against LSU, that is no doubt

    As others have mentioned on this same thread.... I personally do not think he has "regressed" but rather that he has not progressed this season to the level that we would like to see, but at the same time he is still a top tier SEC quarterback at this moment in time. Other than Tua there is not another QB in the SEC that I would rather have than Fromm or that I think is better than Fromm. So, while he may not have progressed as much as we would like, he has far from regressed or been terrible. (besides the LSU game.... that was terrible)

    He has looked comfortable in the pocket and has done a good job of having pocket awareness that has allowed for him to shed some tackles by either stepping up in the pocket or leaving the pocket

    His biggest downfalls this year that it is hard to disagree with is the fact that he is simply holding onto the ball for too long. If receivers are not open then either get rid of it or pick us up a few yards on your feet... but don't take the sack. The offensive line is giving him plenty of time to make these decisions, but seems he is making the wrong ones at times.

    I believe Fromm may also be worried about Fields lurking over his shoulder and he wants receiver openings to be perfect so as to not make mistakes, leaving him to holding onto the ball longer

    That being said receivers have been running the wrong routes and there have been a few crucial dropped passes.

    I as well expected to see Fromm take a large step forward this year and even compete for the Heisman. Fromm is not a Heisman trophy candidate this year that is for sure... but saying he "regressed" would be wrong in my personal opinion

    If you do think the he has regressed then I would be curious if Coley being the QB coach was not the ideal move

    So you say having him competing for the Heisman this year and he certainly is not how can that not be "regression"

    You're confusing expectations with the baseline, which is where Jake was at the end of last season. He was trending in the right direction, but he wasn't at that level yet, he didn't have to regress to not be at a level he hadn't obtained.

    let me rephrase that........I think you are dazed and confused

    I think your reading comprehension is suspect.
    Try going back to the post I responded to that led to this point.
    Try REAL hard now.

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  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @dawgnms said:

    @PharmDawg2054 said:
    Fromm had a terrible game against LSU, that is no doubt

    As others have mentioned on this same thread.... I personally do not think he has "regressed" but rather that he has not progressed this season to the level that we would like to see, but at the same time he is still a top tier SEC quarterback at this moment in time. Other than Tua there is not another QB in the SEC that I would rather have than Fromm or that I think is better than Fromm. So, while he may not have progressed as much as we would like, he has far from regressed or been terrible. (besides the LSU game.... that was terrible)

    He has looked comfortable in the pocket and has done a good job of having pocket awareness that has allowed for him to shed some tackles by either stepping up in the pocket or leaving the pocket

    His biggest downfalls this year that it is hard to disagree with is the fact that he is simply holding onto the ball for too long. If receivers are not open then either get rid of it or pick us up a few yards on your feet... but don't take the sack. The offensive line is giving him plenty of time to make these decisions, but seems he is making the wrong ones at times.

    I believe Fromm may also be worried about Fields lurking over his shoulder and he wants receiver openings to be perfect so as to not make mistakes, leaving him to holding onto the ball longer

    That being said receivers have been running the wrong routes and there have been a few crucial dropped passes.

    I as well expected to see Fromm take a large step forward this year and even compete for the Heisman. Fromm is not a Heisman trophy candidate this year that is for sure... but saying he "regressed" would be wrong in my personal opinion

    If you do think the he has regressed then I would be curious if Coley being the QB coach was not the ideal move

    So you say having him competing for the Heisman this year and he certainly is not how can that not be "regression"

    Who decided he was a Heisman candidate? Once again, unrealistic expectations rear their **** heads.. Talk about setting someone up for failure or "regression". That's just nuts in my view. He needs to work on getting better with what he has available...not what Bama or any other school has available. I think

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  • bigdawg2223bigdawg2223 Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    For all that is Holy @WCDawg please stop with the Chaney needs to be moved back to QB coach. You’re starting to turn into @nycdawg. I’m willing to bet you’ve said it several hundred times in the last 2 weeks, CKS isn’t going to listen to you. You wanna talk about performance expectations or the reason why Fromm has regressed or isn’t comfortable, fine. But stop with the Chaney needs to be QB coach, you have one season of play that you’re basing that on and it’s not enough.

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  • PharmDawg2054PharmDawg2054 Posts: 3,930 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @dawgnms said:

    @PharmDawg2054 said:
    Fromm had a terrible game against LSU, that is no doubt

    As others have mentioned on this same thread.... I personally do not think he has "regressed" but rather that he has not progressed this season to the level that we would like to see, but at the same time he is still a top tier SEC quarterback at this moment in time. Other than Tua there is not another QB in the SEC that I would rather have than Fromm or that I think is better than Fromm. So, while he may not have progressed as much as we would like, he has far from regressed or been terrible. (besides the LSU game.... that was terrible)

    He has looked comfortable in the pocket and has done a good job of having pocket awareness that has allowed for him to shed some tackles by either stepping up in the pocket or leaving the pocket

    His biggest downfalls this year that it is hard to disagree with is the fact that he is simply holding onto the ball for too long. If receivers are not open then either get rid of it or pick us up a few yards on your feet... but don't take the sack. The offensive line is giving him plenty of time to make these decisions, but seems he is making the wrong ones at times.

    I believe Fromm may also be worried about Fields lurking over his shoulder and he wants receiver openings to be perfect so as to not make mistakes, leaving him to holding onto the ball longer

    That being said receivers have been running the wrong routes and there have been a few crucial dropped passes.

    I as well expected to see Fromm take a large step forward this year and even compete for the Heisman. Fromm is not a Heisman trophy candidate this year that is for sure... but saying he "regressed" would be wrong in my personal opinion

    If you do think the he has regressed then I would be curious if Coley being the QB coach was not the ideal move

    So you say having him competing for the Heisman this year and he certainly is not how can that not be "regression"

    I expected him to progress to the point of competing for the heisman this year. He did not progress to that point but has not regressed

    Again he may have not progressed as much as some of us thought he would have but calling what he has done this year a regresssion is laughable (other than LSU, that was a regression) so if you want to base the entire point on the LSU game and not his season thus far then yes he regressed

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  • PharmDawg2054PharmDawg2054 Posts: 3,930 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @bigdawg2223 said:
    For all that is Holy @WCDawg please stop with the Chaney needs to be moved back to QB coach. You’re starting to turn into @nycdawg. I’m willing to bet you’ve said it several hundred times in the last 2 weeks, CKS isn’t going to listen to you. You wanna talk about performance expectations or the reason why Fromm has regressed or isn’t comfortable, fine. But stop with the Chaney needs to be QB coach, you have one season of play that you’re basing that on and it’s not enough.

    Fromm was ready to take the Field against ND his 2nd game his freshman year

    It was obvious that even after Fromms horrible performance against LSU that the coaches did not think that Fields was ready to come in and lead the team or we would have seen that

    Now if Fields is not ready mid way though a season then why not? Who is the person preparing him?

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  • bigdawg2223bigdawg2223 Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @PharmDawg2054 said:

    @bigdawg2223 said:
    For all that is Holy @WCDawg please stop with the Chaney needs to be moved back to QB coach. You’re starting to turn into @nycdawg. I’m willing to bet you’ve said it several hundred times in the last 2 weeks, CKS isn’t going to listen to you. You wanna talk about performance expectations or the reason why Fromm has regressed or isn’t comfortable, fine. But stop with the Chaney needs to be QB coach, you have one season of play that you’re basing that on and it’s not enough.

    Fromm was ready to take the Field against ND his 2nd game his freshman year

    It was obvious that even after Fromms horrible performance against LSU that the coaches did not think that Fields was ready to come in and lead the team or we would have seen that

    Now if Fields is not ready mid way though a season then why not? Who is the person preparing him?

    You don’t make coaching changes this far into the season. It will only make things worse

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  • PharmDawg2054PharmDawg2054 Posts: 3,930 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @bigdawg2223 said:

    @PharmDawg2054 said:

    @bigdawg2223 said:
    For all that is Holy @WCDawg please stop with the Chaney needs to be moved back to QB coach. You’re starting to turn into @nycdawg. I’m willing to bet you’ve said it several hundred times in the last 2 weeks, CKS isn’t going to listen to you. You wanna talk about performance expectations or the reason why Fromm has regressed or isn’t comfortable, fine. But stop with the Chaney needs to be QB coach, you have one season of play that you’re basing that on and it’s not enough.

    Fromm was ready to take the Field against ND his 2nd game his freshman year

    It was obvious that even after Fromms horrible performance against LSU that the coaches did not think that Fields was ready to come in and lead the team or we would have seen that

    Now if Fields is not ready mid way though a season then why not? Who is the person preparing him?

    You don’t make coaching changes this far into the season. It will only make things worse

    Not saying to make a coaching change mid season

    The OP was asking for a reason for regression. Regardless of agreeing if it’s a regression or lack of optimal progression my answer stays the same.... that the person preparing and coaching that player may be be the answer to the OP

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  • levanderlevander Posts: 4,481 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited October 2018

    @PharmDawg2054 said:

    @bigdawg2223 said:

    @PharmDawg2054 said:

    @bigdawg2223 said:
    For all that is Holy @WCDawg please stop with the Chaney needs to be moved back to QB coach. You’re starting to turn into @nycdawg. I’m willing to bet you’ve said it several hundred times in the last 2 weeks, CKS isn’t going to listen to you. You wanna talk about performance expectations or the reason why Fromm has regressed or isn’t comfortable, fine. But stop with the Chaney needs to be QB coach, you have one season of play that you’re basing that on and it’s not enough.

    Fromm was ready to take the Field against ND his 2nd game his freshman year

    It was obvious that even after Fromms horrible performance against LSU that the coaches did not think that Fields was ready to come in and lead the team or we would have seen that

    Now if Fields is not ready mid way though a season then why not? Who is the person preparing him?

    You don’t make coaching changes this far into the season. It will only make things worse

    Not saying to make a coaching change mid season

    The OP was asking for a reason for regression. Regardless of agreeing if it’s a regression or lack of optimal progression my answer stays the same.... that the person preparing and coaching that player may be be the answer to the OP

    Holy Cow! Did someone finally just buy into WCDawg’s QB coaching switcheroo being the problem??!

    Well done, WC! You fought hard to start getting some traction.

    How long until the dam breaks?

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  • PharmDawg2054PharmDawg2054 Posts: 3,930 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @levander said:

    @PharmDawg2054 said:

    @bigdawg2223 said:

    @PharmDawg2054 said:

    @bigdawg2223 said:
    For all that is Holy @WCDawg please stop with the Chaney needs to be moved back to QB coach. You’re starting to turn into @nycdawg. I’m willing to bet you’ve said it several hundred times in the last 2 weeks, CKS isn’t going to listen to you. You wanna talk about performance expectations or the reason why Fromm has regressed or isn’t comfortable, fine. But stop with the Chaney needs to be QB coach, you have one season of play that you’re basing that on and it’s not enough.

    Fromm was ready to take the Field against ND his 2nd game his freshman year

    It was obvious that even after Fromms horrible performance against LSU that the coaches did not think that Fields was ready to come in and lead the team or we would have seen that

    Now if Fields is not ready mid way though a season then why not? Who is the person preparing him?

    You don’t make coaching changes this far into the season. It will only make things worse

    Not saying to make a coaching change mid season

    The OP was asking for a reason for regression. Regardless of agreeing if it’s a regression or lack of optimal progression my answer stays the same.... that the person preparing and coaching that player may be be the answer to the OP

    Holy Cow! Did someone finally just buy into WCDawg’s QB coaching switcheroo being the problem??!

    Well done, WC! You fought hard to start getting some traction.

    How long until the dam breaks?

    It was obvious Fields was not ready to lead the team or the coaches would have put him in against LSU as bad as Fromm was doing

    Some think Fromm was regressed, stalled, or not progressed very much from last year

    With those two things the only logical answer is that the person in charge of coaching and developing that player may be at fault

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  • dawgnmsdawgnms Posts: 5,378 mod

    Senior talent surrounded Fromm last year made it easy for him......Now is the time to make this team HIS team......if he doesn't this Saturday it will be time for a change

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited October 2018

    @bigdawg2223 said:

    @PharmDawg2054 said:

    @bigdawg2223 said:
    For all that is Holy @WCDawg please stop with the Chaney needs to be moved back to QB coach. You’re starting to turn into @nycdawg. I’m willing to bet you’ve said it several hundred times in the last 2 weeks, CKS isn’t going to listen to you. You wanna talk about performance expectations or the reason why Fromm has regressed or isn’t comfortable, fine. But stop with the Chaney needs to be QB coach, you have one season of play that you’re basing that on and it’s not enough.

    Fromm was ready to take the Field against ND his 2nd game his freshman year

    It was obvious that even after Fromms horrible performance against LSU that the coaches did not think that Fields was ready to come in and lead the team or we would have seen that

    Now if Fields is not ready mid way though a season then why not? Who is the person preparing him?

    You don’t make coaching changes this far into the season. It will only make things worse

    I think having had Chaney as the QB coach last year and Coley having been the WR coach a switch back wouldn't be an issue. I believe it would stand a good chance of helping Fromm right away.

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  • dawgnmsdawgnms Posts: 5,378 mod

    @WCDawg said:

    @bigdawg2223 said:

    @PharmDawg2054 said:

    @bigdawg2223 said:
    For all that is Holy @WCDawg please stop with the Chaney needs to be moved back to QB coach. You’re starting to turn into @nycdawg. I’m willing to bet you’ve said it several hundred times in the last 2 weeks, CKS isn’t going to listen to you. You wanna talk about performance expectations or the reason why Fromm has regressed or isn’t comfortable, fine. But stop with the Chaney needs to be QB coach, you have one season of play that you’re basing that on and it’s not enough.

    Fromm was ready to take the Field against ND his 2nd game his freshman year

    It was obvious that even after Fromms horrible performance against LSU that the coaches did not think that Fields was ready to come in and lead the team or we would have seen that

    Now if Fields is not ready mid way though a season then why not? Who is the person preparing him?

    You don’t make coaching changes this far into the season. It will only make things worse

    I think having had Chaney as the QB coach last year and Coley having been the WR coach a switch back wouldn't be an issue. I believe it would stand a good chance of helping Fromm right away.

    Welllllll.......I think you should start a thread on it

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  • oldon42oldon42 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Perhaps the problem is no Wims and Terry Godwin was hurt at the start of the season.

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  • PharmDawg2054PharmDawg2054 Posts: 3,930 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @dawgnms said:
    Senior talent surrounded Fromm last year made it easy for him......Now is the time to make this team HIS team......if he doesn't this Saturday it will be time for a change

    Not doubting that

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  • bigdawg2223bigdawg2223 Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @dawgnms said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @bigdawg2223 said:

    @PharmDawg2054 said:

    @bigdawg2223 said:
    For all that is Holy @WCDawg please stop with the Chaney needs to be moved back to QB coach. You’re starting to turn into @nycdawg. I’m willing to bet you’ve said it several hundred times in the last 2 weeks, CKS isn’t going to listen to you. You wanna talk about performance expectations or the reason why Fromm has regressed or isn’t comfortable, fine. But stop with the Chaney needs to be QB coach, you have one season of play that you’re basing that on and it’s not enough.

    Fromm was ready to take the Field against ND his 2nd game his freshman year

    It was obvious that even after Fromms horrible performance against LSU that the coaches did not think that Fields was ready to come in and lead the team or we would have seen that

    Now if Fields is not ready mid way though a season then why not? Who is the person preparing him?

    You don’t make coaching changes this far into the season. It will only make things worse

    I think having had Chaney as the QB coach last year and Coley having been the WR coach a switch back wouldn't be an issue. I believe it would stand a good chance of helping Fromm right away.

    Welllllll.......I think you should start a thread on it

    He has, don’t encourage him

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