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Braves Ongoing Season Comments Thread..

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  • Bsampson0317Bsampson0317 Posts: 133 ✭✭✭ Junior

    I think Folty would benefit the team more by coming out of the pen. This would strengthen the bullpen and then would only need a closer.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited June 2019

    I think getting Folty back too form as a starter would have more value. I'd only consider moving him if it looked like he wasn't going to re-gain his form quick enough to be a difference maker starting. It's a lot easier to go 100% for an inning or 2 than pitch through a lineup several times.

  • UWGDawgUWGDawg Posts: 490 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Yes, if we get 2018 Folty back, that would be better than Folty in the pen.

    There are too many good bullpen arms out there via trade to give up on him that quickly

  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited June 2019

    Folty long term would be better for the team as a good starting pitcher. Short term, he's the #5 starter based on ERA at this current time, which you don't need in the playoffs. So, he could potentially be a bullpen arm if he gets a few chances to adjust to relief pitching in the regular season. Then back to starting pitching next offseason in an attempt to regain 2018 form.

  • KirbstomperKirbstomper Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Interesting comment @loxahatcheedawg. I checked out Felipe Vasquez and he is putting up some very impressive numbers this season, and the since 2016 he’s been good honestly. That contract is worth it for a top end reliever. He has something like 50-65M in surplus value, meaning he would cost something like Pache and a lower end pitcher. Would you guys make that trade?
  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Not sure I'd want to give up Pache. He may be Markakis' replacement in the next couple of years. Riley, Acuna and hopefully Pache sounds like an amazing homegrown outfield to me. Do they want Ender instead? 😂

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Teams almost always use surplus starters in relief roles in the playoffs. It doesn't take much adjustment. They can go 100% for an inning or 2.

  • KirbstomperKirbstomper Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    @Teddy if a team is giving away a good controlled player, it usually is gonna hurt to get them 😂. I don’t think ender is quite painful enough haha
  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited June 2019

    Ender is good, albeit not the 40 games he played this year. He was an all-star season before last, and isn't too far off from being a .300 career hitter while being a good fielder. Is under contract through 2022 and has a 2023 club option.

  • UWGDawgUWGDawg Posts: 490 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I wish Ender could sneak into the lineup just enough over the next month and a half to make him good trade chip. For most teams without the OF and minor league depth we have, he would be an amazing CF and 7-9 hitter. Or just a bench piece for a playoff team.

  • PTDawgPTDawg Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Ender is a gold glove CF. He is historically a second-half player. Was an all-star a couple seasons ago. Team control for 4 yrs on a reasonable contract. He does have some value. I would hope a package of Ender and a couple of non-stop shelf prospects should get something in return.
  • TheSmartWayTheSmartWay Posts: 901 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited June 2019

    We have plenty of pitching prospects to send over. The Pirates can hit the ball, but they have no pitching so that may be exactly what they're looking for. Like others have said, Pache looks like our center fielder next year with Markakis likely gone so he would be a lot tougher to move. With Donaldson moving on after this season (1-year contract, right?) I'd love to see Riley back at his home position in the hot corner. That leaves one outfield slot next year which Ender could conceivably fill.

    Speaking of 2020, I'd personally prefer to use Ender as a trade chip and leave that LF spot open for Camargo to slide into next year. This makes a lot of sense to me with Ender feeling like a hole in the lineup lately and beginning to decline in center field. This would move Acuna to RF, which I'd assume he can handle (Pache looks like a perennial gold glove candidate in CF). That would mean the Braves wouldn't have to sign or trade for any everyday starters, which could leave a lot of room to spend on quality relief pitching and continued bench depth.

    In other words I think the Braves have a championship lineup next year without overspending on FA position players. Only substitutions in the lineup would be Camargo for Donaldson and Pache for Markakis. So, Ender and pitching prospects for Vasquez?

  • TheSmartWayTheSmartWay Posts: 901 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    2020 lineup:

    Acuna RF

    Swanson SS

    Freeman 1B

    Riley 3B

    Albies 2B

    Camargo LF

    Catcher spot. Will Flowers/McCann be back?

    Pache CF

  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I like that lineup, but Markakis has a club option for 2020 of only $6 million. Not many 5-hole hitters that only cost $6 million dollars these days in the MLB, and a veteran at that.

  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Yeah, I'd like to see Nick stay for another year - Pache might not be ready and Nick is steady.

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